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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel , Xinglu Chen Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1640038821; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=hTP3yzdJ9xrfpuyF1q01mj4AJ2XBx74vgfamxXrUgDI=; b=AoFMQ44kpfMyGscwsQThrIkKoWAKcHT/w9774qBEnTjHrmPuZbYNrvPkiMcsPGWcnwSZGF dbHDwNUY1vEk3slJSphursnqG6RWrhpwCJ6mfAES7K6sR9mN9sH7b0xjVOViFSL7VmpJiL 0Rxui0T3FKzwkhwwmewsO+TGo8QpgxaubkLCrbhZ3P7lViVU8cp6L7H70a64nuAdbziGzk y58i/JB7lOxRW1/9oqzGNoq95uBUuqbObTn+kpOSzuA/lmk45NWSZpXYE4BjPRePYntbBb OD32IkHEfA9V/GTs45O0az9gpdhc+5csZrVf8zWVqAEI9FCgonBEFa/sDgRqlw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1640038821; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=a9WLxpyKbd35a7BP/AJ90AWyVaezHBq0hFMnYNKQawIeZ+mk2M5ObCjP2RGdyJvvavGzuR Z6sN3b5RdqIwOJYLDQhj7VlzBBOJHDQkGM4u4I4WYIgsUzEWg/Y7E4sXd8cjfssVH/ymIn nSBfk7QBTiWTVuTjI3ij+2bi9vfYgqH+xe/KWknohgH+FBdwh2FtP4RYg6+6K/9b44KJaW Lq0CEC8cjlCjyVhgub2Vp2DOKNx3LlSzDwZjuYB2CB35PmWdfTvJwVnORb3fJwkfuTIrCm 4U4Io3nDwzD696AnGxXkn4q6eRp6e622IkFfRkyjH04CcYKnl3T5BN9MnWTgew== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.02 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B0706857C X-Spam-Score: -4.02 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 5yWFGIYBn0Vy Hello! Andrew Tropin skribis: > On 2021-12-15 18:59, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: [...] >> Also, could you (or Xinglu, or Oleg) write a blog post for guix.gnu.org, >> targeting an audience who=E2=80=99s not familiar with this kind of tool,= making >> it clear what the rationale is and what it can bring to =E2=80=9Cnormal = users=E2=80=9D? >> It would be really helpful to have that published within a couple of >> weeks or so, before the next release. > > I have a blog post task in my backlog, I want to upstream more home > services before publishing the post. It's not a blocker, but a nice > thing to have. There is another ongoing work, which I would like to > finish before making a post. > > Another option is to publish this post some time after 1.4.0 release, so > everything I want will be finished to that moment. I don't see reasons > to hurry, so it's a viable alternative too. I think it=E2=80=99d be ideal to have the post before the release, so users= know what they=E2=80=99re getting. :-) It=E2=80=99s completely fine if there are still missing features, etc. IMO; it=E2=80=99ll keep growing and there can be another post later. > I burnt out a little during upstreaming process, it was quite slow and > painful at the beginning and increased maintanance burden of rde for me. > A little too early merge + uncoordinated changes of basic primitives and > service configurations also hit me quite hard and forced to spend some > time bringing rde back to working state without going a step further. > > I took a break and after that started to cleanup small Guix Home issues, > develop/improve home services in rde repo and finally started to work on > new rde features. Still feel a little burnt out and I try not to do > worse. Oh I=E2=80=99m sorry to read that. I certainly don=E2=80=99t want to add m= ore on your plate or to have you feel pressured to do more. I think we can take our time on this; we can clarify in the manual and announcement what it is that users are getting when the release is out. (To be clear, the review process has been a burden on me too, and it=E2=80= =99s a strong commitment from the Guix maintainers going forward.) [...] > To continue upstreaming home services from rde to Guix I would like and > actually need to have an established style guide on how to write service > configurations to make sure service implementations are consistent. I > started to write a manual section, which we can collectively review, > discuss and adjust it to get such a style guide. Cause of burn out and > a lot of unrewarding monkey work I've done recently it's a little hard > to focus on this task, but I'll try to send first drafts to mailing list > soon. Yeah, there=E2=80=99s no style guide, but on the up side, there=E2=80=99s e= stablished practice with system services that hopefully we can follow in most cases. Anyway, recovering from burnout and making sure it doesn=E2=80=99t happen a= gain should be the priority. Thanks for your feedback, Ludo=E2=80=99.