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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1640703060; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=r4i4m/KVUTCsj0t5idJB37mt2nGmqdKIq23n1Cn5k6M=; b=O+SAT+aOCnDKA6XU8GJi2dqyvD88585bXtdTjt1IdOOnZtd2mtzOieoT2wCDyDrLLS2AGy 2Fv00gkLPME9bN1bBFV24QHRH17x5XgT7yvjsE7EDy4iH+BWKQFv13VbEICa9YS9Gkw5AJ y7C6s/Pmb6leVk0txMwT5HTkKT+3jIbs4C4D5WpUFuOPiX2M57DsL5D1G9SOtHg6EAJSpC IeLNDko8tYzu54caLphnNbG8hiJP2VrI4uyqBV6cevn86uF8fVm5j20IByh1fqxhccSbl7 sHznhGtCPNlen6yyc8QbAnETgg3UZnumgEw/eyk6vvs8Df+TXbggaMAfnq/IRw== ARC-Seal: i=2; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1640703060; a=rsa-sha256; cv=fail; b=UyNLm609Fp43hokEdvrqtJ1qwyVhSVH+CY7YL6jWvbg0dB0Op+MJn+EpODCRqaZ3IKbuGn S15ycIAT5nAIN3j621T+GyYQl0Wh5e48MXiN3cNI5yzBg5W2kOaPj11uKPLRfYVlvXUqUU j3VvOYgwUzTAowpi6FB+8Ad5iOIk267XAMP3eVS65jd1B3vrDEbJuYgFEgzd0cV8cDjIKz csOfMHyTzAnWrfnueNrxA0kXYv5R4RZP6ZKr3nPMQQv3pCnErOe2PvHrE6oHI3zHEVa7tj +4IIs7nz61b6FeOhl2oWGZ6J8ORXvZGah2qA9OlaRLwee4uHthJXJnVei5i7zQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=elephly.net header.s=zoho header.b=h81Bwlfz; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.07 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=elephly.net header.s=zoho header.b=h81Bwlfz; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1CCE136693 X-Spam-Score: -1.07 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: x0dq/hm9C2dr Maxim Cournoyer writes: >> Guix is nowhere near the size of the Rust community (yet!), but I can >> already picture teams and members: >> >> co-maintainers (=E2=80=9Ccore team=E2=80=9D) >> community >> infrastructure >> internationalization >> security response >> release >> Rust packaging >> R packaging >> Java packaging > > We'd have to include every language/system of importance to that list > (Python, Ruby, Emacs, LaTeX, Perl, etc.), no? No, only those where we already have the people who could form a team. There is no need for any of this to be comprehensive. It just needs to be an improvement over the status quo. FWIW, I=E2=80=99ll gladly make it official that I could be the person to ta= lk to when it comes to =E2=80=9CR packaging=E2=80=9D. This is already the case, = but only those people know it who don=E2=80=99t really need to know this. Advertising this kind of information or recording it somewhere where our tools could redirect incoming requests would be an improvement. > Are our problems really organizational? I think before attempting to > come up with a solution, we must analyze and agree on what it is that > needs improvement to help us move forward more efficiently. I do think it=E2=80=99s a lack of organization, yes. Today I=E2=80=99m no = longer following guix-commits, guix-patches, or bug-guix, and I=E2=80=99m overwhel= med by guix-devel and help-guix. Whenever something catches my attention I=E2=80=99ll read a bit and maybe reply. But by far the best way to get my attention for a review is to ask on #guix or #guix-hpc or to X-Debbugs-Cc (or Cc) me on emails. Having some topic-specific streams I could tap into would allow me to be a little more proactive. --=20 Ricardo