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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655130288; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=LQXmeMo6mw0hTDUPDhiGR6YOY13KDk8118PhSUcEkek=; b=TGVGGuqmSYFsIhsu2+RRQ9K9bTcNzvl7vr+wSMQaq7AAPXTNA9WBCYMORMRuKGp2fla/kO zo34DJHUCmXpZY11Txrw8QpERdMy8El2awfEO5eNV/91c5ur2nFGjqH/k1tX3jNv0eBjoZ oV9yTbSHBUzcbzN32XiTMIZDYFL38AUa2rg7mHOylXHTZmJFScU5ceUueLmHh1iAfeGlXs lHh6WZXd+UeOagCd5noVpD2lditYb7a6uyjU/8Ttxms64nbkzF2LYvVbvgXhpaAxYhObsL n1ykt8cXFIRiPSzCWkS7HphsGBymn2eQe8D9THJ9jPcm6Lxiw0rE3smxY8r7+Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655130288; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Mym54VaBtaBOLR31IiGpvRIC+sgGonMFfZTDOYNRryHUCbFVxxluMMzxw8kgZe9MhEx4+q vmbRpMgrFS5PBQR6c8ycMk+simATOwwucPI+qM4rSwmxLzrgt3K/qGMAcwGnFThbNrTaQe 8kGgahM4kXxe3s1YjK5nPmp5qlkVl1hV6/8tMBb6INUGbi9PYha3EUPjWtcJDgHeDbtpFw ItvSk0ursuJqg7hcQfwKsAiXJ6GkHj6WfcUnmCMIJPdhmPbbAqL9+4zDL4hNis0wtXnI+t u8rHE0LBYSVIOkzNpWw/qFYEsChzpKWTpLPG9Ciby9gtwF2eoRiNFxoZ6vE4IA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.39 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3D62FBC88 X-Spam-Score: -5.39 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 1Lxzjk9FJk4z --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Maxime Maxime Devos writes: > Giovanni Biscuolo schreef op ma 13-06-2022 om 11:34 [+0200]: >> Maxime I have a question for you please: do you really think that in >> the NixOS community > > Going by the Java example, yes, at least for some of the NixOS > community. I've also seen this interpretation of reproducibility in > Clojure (there was some question on building things from source and > reproducibility, and the response was something along the line =E2=80=98u= sing > upstream binaries is 100% reproducible=E2=80=99). Ouch! It hurts so much ;-( [...] >> P.S.: or you Maxime are just playng the devil's advocate? :-D > > No, I'm not advocating that trivial reproducibility is useful or the > goal or such. My response was some speculation on an answer to the > following question: > >> but it's impossible to me to understand how a packaged upstream jar >> can be considered reproducible (and bootstrappable); OK OK, now I understand, I did not imagine there's still this kind of interpretation about reproducible builds in some groups of developers/maintainers Thanks! 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