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Hopefully a long time, no? Per the article above, > it=E2=80=99s starting small, with Rust usage in well-defined locations. > > This is not to say that we shouldn=E2=80=99t start organizing, but rather= that > we still have a bit of time ahead. > > (During that time, interested readers can also take a stab at improving > support for the Hurd, which relies on that revolutionary technology > called =E2=80=9Caddress spaces=E2=80=9D to ensure Memory Safety=E2=84=A2 = among other things!) > > Ludo=E2=80=99. > Why "address spaces" is a revolutionary technology? All kernels (except the "Hello, World!" ones) use it. By the way, what basic features are lacking (read available) in the Hurd port? Last time when I checked the pre-built disk image, I found that it completely breaks after a reboot. I mailed at help-guix list[1], but got no response. [1]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-09/msg00043.html =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. 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