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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -5.79 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D95113EE77 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.79 X-TUID: eAQb2xG05RC6 Giovanni Biscuolo writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > Hello Katherine, > > thank you for having summarized (part of) this thread in a list of > actionable tasks > > now Someone=E2=84=A2 have the chance to decrease the cognitive overhead f= or > contributors by _increasing_ her cognitive overhead to sort out and > complete each task > > as a general comment, it seems to me that you put very much attention to > the process of contributing v1 of a patch but you underestimate the > cognitive overhead of the collective patch reviewing process and > committing to Guix proper process > > AFAIU, observing what is happening in Guix since 2019, what is actually > critical for Guix is _not_ the cognitive overhead needed to send a patch > to guix-devel, but what comes after and _around_. > > last but not least, to be fair we should see at what other distribution > (not single software projects) are doing for their contributing process: > I know a little about Debian and in my experience it's far easier to > contribute to Guix than to Debian (but I know little, I emphasize) > > Katherine Cox-Buday writes: > >> Summary of my conclusions: >> >> 1. We should use sourcehut or continue to improve mumi > > Please forgive me if I insist, but the one and _only_ benefit of using > SourceHut is the web-UI /helper/ to prepare an email message to send, > it's "just" a web-UI version of the "git format-patch" CLI; the rest of > the "patch management workflow" is email **and** CLI (git am) based; > it's documented. > > Furthermore, users that are comfortable with the SourceHut web UI are > free to use that as their personal working repo, there is no need for > Guix to use a SourceHut remote as the official one. How easy related issues are to find matters a great deal. So does TODO management. Mumi currently fails at its main function of being a search engine for issues. I can't even find my own messages with keyword searches, because for some reason Mumi connects each words with a logical or and doesn't rank search results based on how many hits there are, not to mention handling fuzzy hits, or synonyms, etc. As I see it, this is an issue of developer resources. Mumi and Debbugs have no chance of catching up to any alterntive that already has a sustainable financial model and professional developers working on it. Why are we trying to compete with Sourcehut? What's the end goal?