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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.83 X-Spam-Score: -7.83 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 17AFF54FFD X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-TUID: kb0+61YWNauy Hi Luis, I=E2=80=99m big fan of what you propose, both graphically in terms of how we present things! I love the =E2=80=9Ccubes=E2=80=9D that represent the different levels of G= uix (reminiscent of the hexagons Ricardo had in some of his presentations); we could add a =E2=80=9Csystems=E2=80=9D (plural) cube that I didn=E2=80=99= t see here, but that=E2=80=99s a detail. I love that the mockups insist on =E2=80=9CUser C= ontrol=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CUser Autonomy=E2=80=9D too. Like Ricardo, I=E2=80=99m less enthusiastic about the term =E2=80=9Cpackage= manager=E2=80=9D, but we should be able to work around it. We should also make sure IMO that Guix System is not perceived as a completely independent/separate beast, and instead insist on that notion of a continuum. Luis Felipe skribis: > I can help implement several of the proposed changes. > > Subsequent changes (hinted in the mockups) with the same goal of product = differentiation could be: > > 5. Guix Features section in the manual: Improve it. > + Separate in sections to make it easier to browse > + List forgotten functional features (if any) > + List non-functional features > + Compare with similar products > 6. Guix System Features section in the manual: Add it. > 7. Guix System Configurations page: A collection of configurations, ideal= ly of real systems currently used in production environments. Makes sense to me. This something those of us less into design and more into coding can help with. Thank you!! Ludo=E2=80=99.