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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.68 X-Spam-Score: -0.68 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4A26282297 X-TUID: RsseKR+KMUVI Hi, On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 at 20:36, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >> In past discussions (such as the implementation of the 'RPM' pack >> format) we had concluded that a single derivation was preferable. Large >> chunks to be sent to offload machines over the network are not very >> practical, and as Ludovic said, they also require more store space. Well, the argument =E2=80=9Crequire more store space=E2=80=9D appears to me= as an =E2=80=9Chalf-joke=E2=80=9Dwhen you know all the space that is required by = Guix for a day-to-day usage. :-) I don=E2=80=99t buy it. ;-) About offload, indeed. And this can be a =E2=80=9Cbad surprise=E2=80=9D. > Dependent on the situation I can see one approach to be preferrable to > the other, and in other situations this could very well be reversed. I agree. > Can we expose this choice to the command line interface of "guix pack"? Maybe the switch could be with the option =E2=80=99--no-offload=E2=80=99 in= stead of adding yet another one. Cheers, simon