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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 15:10:53 +0000 Message-ID: <87pln1ztz6.fsf@subvertising.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.167.222.108; envelope-from=divya@subvertising.org; helo=devianza.investici.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.02 X-Spam-Score: -3.02 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 67B90573BC X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-TUID: 9fVz2NwQEErn Hello, As someone who=E2=80=99s been recently involved in packaging some software = for GNU Guix I=E2=80=99m confused with certain choices, mostly with the [pa= ckage]-next category. What should these next packages be? "More recent" tha= n the non-next package? If so, how much more recent? One release ahead? Or = is it supposed to follow the latest master release from the source reposito= ry of the package, and the non-next package would be the stable one? None of the above options seem to satisfy, emacs-next does not follow the l= atest master, but it further away than one release from the stable. So what= exactly does emacs-next follow for being updated? This is not only confusi= ng, but I believe creating issues in packaging as well, someone has even co= nsdiered packaging a "emacs-nextnext" [0]. A better solution is necessary, at least if not that we should decide what = and how should the "next" packages be provided and packaged, emacs-next doe= sn=E2=80=99t even have a description. The next packages should have a _dist= inct_ description from the non-next ones, so that when the user is installi= ng it they know that they=E2=80=99re installing not a stable, or more recen= t or whatever we decide as the distinguishing element between the two categ= ories. I=E2=80=99ve seen similar issues in trying to upgrade the ghc package as we= ll, the ghc-next isn=E2=80=99t clear as to what its following [1]. A clearance of these confusions would be better for both package maintainer= s and end-users who don=E2=80=99t see much beyond the description, version = and do `guix install'. [1]: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/47335 [0]: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/73281 Regards, --=20 Divya Ranjan, Philosophy, Mathematics, Libre Software.