From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 07/07: services: console-keymap: Deprecate.
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 23:01:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o95blz03.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k1g0mki5.fsf@gmail.com> (Alex Kost's message of "Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:04:18 +0300")
Hi Alex,
Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> skribis:
> Ludovic Courtès (2019-04-07 18:24 +0200) wrote:
>
> [...]
>> As you found out, this is deprecated in favor of ‘keyboard-layout’,
>> which has a couple of advantages: it’s uniform (the same config works
>> for GRUB, Linux, and Xorg), and it’s installed from the initrd, so
>> already effective when you type in your passphrase (see
>> <https://issues.guix.info/issue/34929>).
>>
>> ‘keyboard-layout’ definitely works for what you describe, Mark (see the
>> examples in the manual.)
>>
>> If you do fancy things with Linux-native keymap files, Alex, it’s
>> probably not for you. In that case you do need
>> ‘console-keymap-service’.
>
> The fancy thing I do is simply loading my own keymap file, like this:
>
> (console-keymap-service (local-file ".../my.map"))
>
> If I understand correctly, ‘keyboard-layout’ does not allow me to do
> this, right?
Not directly, no.
>> However, I was thinking that we probably want to steer users towards the
>> ‘keyboard-layout’ mechanism so they don’t experience the inconsistencies
>> we had before. That’s why I deprecated ‘console-keymap-service’. I’d
>> argue that keymap experts won’t have difficulties coming up with a
>> ‘console-keymap-service’ if they need it.
>
> Sure, it's not a problem for me to add ‘console-keymap-service’ to my
> config, I was just surprised that some feature was removed
> ("deprecating" means "removing sooner or later", right?) without
> replacing it with equivalent functionality (as I see it).
It’s deprecated in order to be removed eventually, yes.
It’s “equivalent functionality” in the sense that it deals with keyboard
layout in the console, but it’s also a different interface.
>> WDYT?
>
> Please do whatever seems appropriate to you. I just think that keyboard
> layouts for grub, tty and X server are completely unrelated settings,
> and I don't like when such unrelated configurations are combined just to
> become more "user-friendly".
I don’t think anyone mentioned user-friendliness, though I think
user-friendliness is a good thing. :-)
Anyway, keyboard settings have been a longstanding issue with several
open bug reports, notably about the inconsistencies one would inevitably
go through. This change was proposed precisely to address this problem.
Debian uses ‘console-setup’ for the same reason.
Now, that does not prevent users from configuring things separately, or
using ‘loadkeys’ directly, etc.
Thanks for your feedback,
Ludo’.
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[not found] <20190405134511.7740.88403@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <20190405134516.BD1962158A@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2019-04-06 1:45 ` 07/07: services: console-keymap: Deprecate Mark H Weaver
2019-04-06 19:51 ` Alex Kost
2019-04-07 16:24 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-11 19:04 ` Alex Kost
2019-04-12 21:01 ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2019-04-12 2:00 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-04-12 21:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
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