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From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@tobias.gr>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Parameterized packages
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 17:17:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o945vze5.fsf@nckx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87woitz1xx.fsf@gnu.org>

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Ludo',

Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> While thinking about <https://issues.guix.info/issue/35671> and 
> looking
> for ways to allow users to install just the locales they need 
> right from
> ‘guix package’, I realized that “parameterized packages” are a
> low-hanging fruit

Wow.  Unexpected turn…

I'm still thinking about this, so all this is just me doing it out 
loud:

>   (package
>     (inherit glibc-utf8-locales)
>     (properties `((locales . ("zh_CN.utf8")))))
>
> and tadaam! we have a parameterized package.
>
> There’s a couple of gotchas:
>
>   • We’d need to store more info in manifest entries so that
>     transformation options are preserved upon ‘guix upgrade’.
>
>   • We might need to expose the package parameters somehow, so 
>   that if
>     one types ‘--with-argument=foobar=baz’, they get a correct 
>     error
>     message saying that “foobar” is not a known parameter.

Interesting idea to piggy-back on the properties field, and it 
might save some code (at least initially), but I don't see the 
overlap here.

None of the current properties (superseded, upstream-name, 
*-variant, cpe-name, hidden?) make much sense to expose in this 
way; they're semimmutable facts about the package.

While a dedicated field can provide richer metadata, such as 
description, basic ‘types’ & sane/permitted values, to be used by 
the UI.

Looking at Exherbo/ntoo, this will inevitably lead to factoring 
out very common option metadata so one doesn't have to keep 
writing ‘x11 bool "Add support for the X Window System"’ in 
every. single. package.

Then come the people asking how to set CFLAGS for all packages and 
you'll know you've made it.

>   • We might want to make the CLI option less verbose too, but 
>   how?

Possibly relevant: do you see package options¹ being added to 
package specifications?  That seems to be the classical approach.

Kind regards,

T G-R

[1]: I use the term ‘option’ because it's what my last FHS 
distribution called them, and it was a good distribution, and 
because ‘arguments’ is already an unrelated field in package 
expressions, and flags are boolean, but substitute whatever name 
you prefer.

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-14 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-14 11:54 Parameterized packages Ludovic Courtès
2019-05-14 15:17 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice [this message]
2019-05-17 14:23   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-05-17 18:15   ` Mark H Weaver
2019-07-19  5:41     ` Chris Marusich
2019-07-19 20:29     ` ison
2020-01-02 19:23       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-09 11:10         ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-09 23:13           ` Marius Bakke
2020-01-10 12:29             ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-10 16:19         ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-01-11 11:31           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-14 15:05             ` zimoun
2020-01-15  9:40               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-15 11:30                 ` zimoun
2020-01-15 11:51                   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-15 13:54                     ` zimoun
2020-01-16 19:06                       ` ison
2020-01-16 20:55                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-01-17 16:34                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-17  9:15                         ` L p R n d n
2020-01-17 16:46                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-17 15:53                         ` zimoun
2020-01-17 16:56                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-20 14:34                             ` zimoun
2020-01-21 10:56                             ` Build systems and implicit inputs Ludovic Courtès
2020-01-21 12:24                               ` zimoun
2020-01-21 13:07                                 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-21 18:02                                   ` zimoun
2020-01-19 20:34                           ` Parameterized packages Ludovic Courtès
2020-01-20  9:08                             ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-20 14:50                               ` zimoun
2020-01-20 18:57                                 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-20 19:07                                   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-20 22:57                                   ` ison
2020-01-21 10:09                                     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-21 10:49                                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-01-21 12:15                                   ` zimoun
2020-01-21 13:13                                     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-21 19:04                                       ` zimoun
2020-01-22  9:54                                         ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-22 12:23                                           ` zimoun
2020-01-24 21:56                                             ` ison
2020-01-26 19:35                                               ` zimoun
2020-01-27 10:13                                                 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-27 11:23                                                   ` zimoun
2020-01-27 11:50                                                     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-27 12:34                                                       ` zimoun
2020-01-27 10:04                                               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-25 18:52                                             ` John Soo
2020-01-27 10:17                                               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-20 14:12                             ` zimoun
2020-01-17 16:31                         ` Pierre Neidhardt
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2020-01-17 16:41                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-19 20:30                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-01-15 11:43                 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-01-15 11:44           ` Pierre Neidhardt

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