From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 2F1qCpoKwWGuVgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:58:34 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id oG32BZoKwWGaCQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 22:58:34 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E05C89276 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:58:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:37324 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzRc0-0001gF-JS for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 17:58:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45248) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzRbr-0001fz-F4; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 17:58:23 -0500 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:36070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzRbp-0007Q2-8S; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 17:58:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E92551; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:58:12 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LflxTWuWcxiP; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:58:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from ribbon (91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net [91.160.117.201]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B625E229; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:58:11 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Mathieu Othacehe Subject: Re: Solstice infrastructure hackathon References: <87v8zorien.fsf@inria.fr> <87fsqsx8fy.fsf@cbaines.net> <87r1abejke.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 30 Frimaire an 230 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:58:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87r1abejke.fsf@gnu.org> (Mathieu Othacehe's message of "Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:12:33 +0100") Message-ID: <87o85ac29o.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Rspamd-Server: hera X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E3E92551 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.83)[subject]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=185.233.100.1; envelope-from=ludo@gnu.org; helo=hera.aquilenet.fr X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, guix-sysadmin Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1640041113; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=NGr6Xo75NZfZzqeN6w7k9tlhXxnUBU6cPskrXPD6wfc=; b=XJSQJK0BSHEa5EWKvL9jTe0Hr1/vYeAkn07xCAZmnNRw4LuoT84CRVIEhK9h1/2Vtvf3Xo LFvFd/zOu0Q14OKGidAZ6MQKIMtHdKBe90ONnUaIwCe/YRLek4bwC+i0YQI5qeE1ra80am uygd8WCzpDftq+1Hh969z0wgae1AH2Ya2t0iD/qEp860XwelmY33TMXjsBNcZC0Dl9zRKB MN0bfiNwJ56FEQLYLdrE5lrSc9bIo3Uu76p2zPlTC+Os4RD9jdrLnZxbdcuVu8xX9DCA8B ++9o+95wBVC+cJtYhhR+7zDyYDu562UlLK901eAEt70Z6Fp5UW3MiMMgtjJa6w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1640041113; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ALIewg8ambWkHBkOJJgDKsUvjl4bzMUddsmgBjsk91PLlkxhZYrZ4YLWoNFzGIQSCZA4ik qwZAiiZzbZTXhERKS0EXOlbrjJLRzzwwECWdra4sbx0G9zcax7bPKono37PHaouXt4G42s YJEzchGUdKQDNDayLeZoysv92NNl+X1Xk2OnXT3vkWXJ6bVxQurTfZ6swhNyi0jdJQW2KY Uqt9sdg7Sw3u3aOmuY/+jE+v3UFbHSQIhIxvrAVD3DBmGTvxxQ8HaPp2MlwH4lZAP3YUpZ IGgrtT/aKJepGH3Y1QXBv5JguXYz2OcWLWy43QMmflNMtDsVTVKLmTsMQlvqLA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.02 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E05C89276 X-Spam-Score: -4.02 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: CS0ulhVrVrHj Hello, Mathieu Othacehe skribis: > I personally think that having Bordeaux as an alternative build farm, > running alternative software is a wrong direction for the project. I > would personally prefer to put a stop to that situation. > > We should clearly host some services such as the Guix website on > Berlin & Bordeaux to bring some redundancy. However, as far as > substitutes building is concerned, redundancy is premature when > maintaining a single system, with our limited human and hardware > resources, proves to be so complex. > > What do other people think? I agree with what Ricardo wrote, in particular that motivation is not fungible. In that sense, an extra effort is not a =E2=80=9Cwaste of resour= ces=E2=80=9D in that it doesn=E2=80=99t take anything from other efforts in terms of workforce. Now, I=E2=80=99d certainly like to see more collective thinking around the infrastructure we=E2=80=99re building=E2=80=94just like we think and work c= ollectively on Guix and its packages. We have one set of problems to solve: long-term storage, GC scalability, distribution, mirroring, continuous integration, etc. While it=E2=80=99s valuable to approach them from difference angles, I also find it more fruitful when we can iterate collectively on actual solutions, and follow our shared set of processes=E2=80=94review, tests, doc, integration = in Guix proper when applicable, and so on. Tomorrow is a day where we can hopefully take advantage of that collective work to address part of our infrastructure needs. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.