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From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu>
To: Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net>, Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: GNU Guix maintainers <guix-maintainers@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:27:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7z0itz3.fsf@xelera.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bkv1lipm.fsf@systemreboot.net>

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Hi Arun,

thank you for your detailed analysis!

Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net> writes:

[...]

> I meant that Guix has very high coding/packaging standards in the
> following senses:
>
> - We prefer to not bundle dependencies. Tracking out bundled
>   dependencies, git submodules, etc. and figuring out how to rewire
>   everything so it works with unbundled dependencies can be really
>   tricky for some packages.

more than tricky: sometimes /impossible/

this is a /huge/ complex issue (I know you know) that some upstream
developers simply ignore; in a sense I feel that Guix was developed
/also/ to help solve this issue and avoid programmers to invent too
creative ways to distribute theis software dependencies

...but it's a hard work, it needs... zen discipline

anyway: AFAIU all of us do agree that this requirement is a Good Thing™
and we have to keep it as a "core requirement"

also, AFAIU there is no way Guix maintainers can help in making this
process easier or automatic: right?

> - We build strictly from source.

This is also a requirement now adopted by many other distributions, at
least all the ones in https://reproducible-builds.org/who/projects/

> - We aim to package tests for all packages.

is there something different that should be done?

do this requirement (is it a requirement?) need to be better documented
or discussed?

> - We have strict conventions for commit messages. Our commit message
>   Changelog is a strange dated practice from the time before good
>   version control systems. I can live with it, but not everyone likes
>   it. Let's just say I've heard complaints about it offlist.

AFAIU this is a requirement Guix inherits from GNU (being it a GNU
project)

I don't remember the ratio for this requirement but AFAIU it made sense
to me when I read that.

I just hope this requirement is refraining people to contribute and to
review patches.

Maybe we could help users not using Emacs with other editor-related
snippets in [~/src/guix/]etc/snippets? (I don't know other editors
templating systems)

> - We don't just list the main license of a package. We trace out the
>   license of each and every file, if they are different from the main
>   license.

Is it possible to write an helper tool?!?  I have still not searched for
one such tool, maybe other distributions do have such a tool?

BTW AFAIU this is a legal requirement we cannot avoid, even if sometimes
it's avoided by some upstream author

> - Our synopses and descriptions are not casually copy-pasted from the
>   project website. We try to rewrite and improve on them if necessary.

AFAIK similar requirements are "enforced" by all other distributions

> - We have to be careful about pushing changes that will cause too many
>   rebuilds. We have a core-updates process for that.

Could this be automated by a pre-commit hook?

[...]

>> please can you expand on this?  What is that cost of failure?
>
> The cost of failure is mostly in the mind. A commit is something that
> has your name on it and lives on in the repo history *forever*. So, it
> better be good. That's the pressure. I do have one or two commits in the
> guix repo with badly borked commit messages.

OK thanks, I understand

[...]

>> specifically speaking, IMHO in cases like this you should send an
>> email-reply to that bug (patch) explaining the 1% you are unsure of
>
> Yeah, I would. But, often that 1% is too nitpicky to be worth
> reporting. Sometimes, I fix the 1% myself and push. But often, I confess
> that I just leave it to other committers.

I don't imagine a specific use case, but nevermind

[...]

Thank you! Gio'

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-10 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-02 15:10 On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-02 20:22 ` Brian Cully via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2022-06-03 19:37   ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-03 21:17     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-06-07  7:08     ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-07 15:11       ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-08 11:39         ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-08 21:10           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-20 12:53         ` Hartmut Goebel
2022-06-21 15:44           ` zimoun
2022-06-22  9:19             ` Munyoki Kilyungi
2022-06-02 20:32 ` Pier-Hugues Pellerin
2022-06-03 19:42   ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-02 21:35 ` Luis Felipe
2022-06-03  8:22   ` Feed on specific topic (public-inbox?) zimoun
2022-06-03 10:51     ` zimoun
2022-06-06 12:11 ` On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy Arun Isaac
2022-06-06 21:43   ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-07  6:44     ` zimoun
2022-06-08  9:30       ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-14 12:24         ` zimoun
2022-06-15  7:01           ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-15  9:19             ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-19  6:55             ` Paul Jewell
2022-06-20 12:11               ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-15 15:11           ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-08 10:54     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-09 19:55     ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-08  9:49   ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-09 19:50     ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-10 12:27       ` Giovanni Biscuolo [this message]
2022-06-10 15:03         ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-10 16:10           ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-10 16:26           ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-10 15:03         ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-11  4:13         ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2022-06-11  9:37           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-14 11:54           ` zimoun
2022-06-14 15:54             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-06-15  6:46               ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-13 12:19         ` Arun Isaac
     [not found] <mailman.12124.1654864076.1231.guix-devel@gnu.org>
2022-06-12  8:18 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-06-12  9:42   ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-12 13:10     ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-13  9:34       ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-13 10:48         ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-13 14:21           ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-12  8:21 ` Ricardo Wurmus

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