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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2F033650DA X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.43 X-Spam-Score: -2.43 X-TUID: z80ERSaw4460 Maxim Cournoyer writes: > I used to think the same about ChangeLogs style commit messages, but I > have to admit that it forces some discipline on me by having me review > my changes in details and write out what I did. It'll sometimes expose > something that'd be better kept in a separate commit, or something I did > and forgot about in the early development, that should be dropped. I have the same positive view on our faux ChangeLogs commit messages, though I also would like to have them generated. The benefit is still there: I still get to *review* an effective summary of the changes before pushing or sending them off for review. But at least I don=E2=80=99t have to write them myself. Now, this is no longer a problem for me because I=E2=80=99ve been writing so many commit messages over the years (and because I no longer try to adhere to some poorly specified format), but it *is* a problem for people that I=E2=80=99ve mentored. etc/committer.scm and the yasnippets are supposed to alleviate some of the pain, but I don=E2=80=99t need to think for a long time to come up with= a number of improvements in this area. > There's also no stopping you adding a more conventional rationale as a > paragraph between the topic and the ChangeLog content (which should > appear at the bottom of the commit message). Yes, this is something that might not be clear to all. Before the somewhat mechanical summary you can write a paragraph or two to give context. --=20 Ricardo