* Thoughtful updates to TexLive @ 2024-10-26 1:13 Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 2024-10-26 8:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2024-10-26 1:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: guix-devel@gnu.org Hi, Should updates to TexLive or its prerequisites fall under the core-updates policy (or whatever its successor is)? My Guix is heavily modified and building TexLive takes an hour and a half. Grafting it takes nearly as long. Thanks! Kind regards Felix ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Thoughtful updates to TexLive 2024-10-26 1:13 Thoughtful updates to TexLive Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2024-10-26 8:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 2025-01-10 7:01 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2024-10-26 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. Cc: Felix Lechner Hello, Felix Lechner writes: > Should updates to TexLive or its prerequisites fall under the > core-updates policy (or whatever its successor is)? > > My Guix is heavily modified and building TexLive takes an hour and a > half. Grafting it takes nearly as long. Thanks! What TexLive are you talking about? There are two TeX Live distributions in Guix: the monolithic one, i.e., `texlive', and the modular one, i.e., the set of all `texlive-*' packages. Monolithic TeX Live is not substitutable so no matter how heavily modified your Guix is, you will always rebuild it at every dependency change. My suggestion is to use modular TeX Live with a reasonable set of packages. I.e., you certainly don't need to pull `texlive-scheme-full', the modular counterpart of `texlive'. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Thoughtful updates to TexLive 2024-10-26 8:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2025-01-10 7:01 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 2025-01-10 7:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2025-01-10 7:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. Cc: Nicolas Goaziou Hi Nicolas, On Sat, Oct 26 2024, Nicolas Goaziou via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." wrote: > What TexLive are you talking about? I am talking about 'texlivetexmf-20240312'. While I'm lucky that there is a substitute, I can hardly use it. At 3.95GB and 31 kB/sec download speed, it took twenty minutes to reach 1%. If my math is right, two thousand minutes are about thirty-three hours. What is the rationale for the monolithic package, please? I'm not using it in any of my own stuff, I don't think. Thanks! Kind regards Felix ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Thoughtful updates to TexLive 2025-01-10 7:01 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2025-01-10 7:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 2025-01-10 15:00 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2025-01-10 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. Cc: Felix Lechner, Andreas Enge Hello, Felix Lechner via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." <guix-devel@gnu.org> writes: > I am talking about 'texlivetexmf-20240312'. > > While I'm lucky that there is a substitute, I can hardly use it. The `texlivetexmf' package has a `#:substitutable #f' flag. Unless I’m mistaken, you’re probably downloading its source before building it. > What is the rationale for the monolithic package, please? I'm not using > it in any of my own stuff, I don't think. Thanks! The monolithic package predates the modular one. Back in the days, it was the only way to get a proper TeX Live experience within Guix. It is not the case anymore. However, Andreas Enge (Cc’ed) prefers to keep it as a no-brainer for anyone who wants to compile TeX documents and can afford the download cost. I’d love to get feedback about the comparison between using `texlive' and `texlive-scheme-full', as I believe the latter can satisfy that user profile. Admittedly, another advantage is that you can modify `texlive' without rebuilding world. As you put it, you, or anyone on this earth I bet, don’t need every package in there. Some are provided for historical purpose only, for example. Even if you don’t want to fiddle with TeX Live packages, installing a couple of `texlive-collection-*' packages, such as the massive `texlive-collection-latexextra', will be more manageable in the long run. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Thoughtful updates to TexLive 2025-01-10 7:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2025-01-10 15:00 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2025-01-10 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution., Andreas Enge Hi Nicolas, On Fri, Jan 10 2025, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > don’t need every package in there Thanks for that analysis! I had the innocuous-looking 'texlive' in my Guix Home profile. That package pulls in texlivetexmf-${date}. [1] Was that my error? Kind regards Felix P.S. After a good night's sleep and eight hours later, sixteen percent of the source were downloaded. [1] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/texlive.scm#n364 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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