From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id AAgINgBRwl4lfQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 09:10:24 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id GFy+MQBRwl6+fAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 09:10:24 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 641599400EF for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 09:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:41062 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jabmx-00068q-A8 for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 05:10:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jabmn-00068i-77 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 05:10:13 -0400 Received: from mail1.fsfe.org ([2001:aa8:ffed:f5f3::151]:41194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jabmm-0007DW-5z; Mon, 18 May 2020 05:10:12 -0400 From: Jelle Licht To: Pierre Neidhardt , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: hide more output In-Reply-To: <87mu65fx4p.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> References: <878si541zo.fsf@elephly.net> <87k11pun90.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <87blmmmd8r.fsf@gnu.org> <87mu65fx4p.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 11:10:06 +0200 Message-ID: <87mu656235.fsf@jlicht.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:aa8:ffed:f5f3::151; envelope-from=jlicht@fsfe.org; helo=mail1.fsfe.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=fsfe.org (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.91 X-TUID: fPp2+irTJBIc Pierre Neidhardt writes: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > >> So in effect, it wouldn=E2=80=99t display anything upfront, only the siz= e of the >> stuff downloaded right? Plus maybe the list of things to build? > > I think the list of things to build is a lower level details. The users > want to know what's going to end up in their profile, they care less > about the store. I care very much on whether this will be quick 5 minute thing, or I will have to leave my laptop crunching for the next 36 hours. Of course this information is only useful to me because I happen to know that e.g. ungoogled-chromium takes ages to build. A new user or one with slightly less Stockholm syndrome probably can't make many informed decisions with just a list of "things to build". - Jelle