From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id CBfdA3B+yGBCvQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:18:24 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id WLARO29+yGBHSQAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:18:23 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE8AA28549 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:51568 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt60N-0000A9-B9 for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:09:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35026) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt604-0008Kv-HV for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:08:52 -0400 Received: from sender4-of-o51.zoho.com ([136.143.188.51]:21197) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt601-00034j-Jz; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:08:52 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1623751716; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=iPbGhmjyPWdzf8dSDSl7dTVZq5AyxYmmeQoDDLYjx0zl5aVkwi8qg3bPH/pKYwiXnCHW47zH/FloKh5HCXlPI2KHGBoigbVayA8rC7bsgJ0g128YHGhKdkAZt6zBoy+yM/VxmP/pfhVkcRPdEvzF+14HVVhfGuJkJoGuLlzwuD8= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1623751716; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=K4EupxLJNo3Tmt0I5HEK/BcTNQyEa4JzZQ9UjjEljPA=; b=jwrhD++SomckYvlTlb60BDO/K/XKY/q2XZOISDRWmAd08tTw7ToLJZoHmPFgh/J+DxupAstP9Fk4DFJFHkEIX8x25AHotaLWtXKCvZm/larFuVs4vPrsY6ZVamm3/oqxy5JbS2ZZGFR8TiGzSpsIR00qZA/ato3K9J51HvPJIDA= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=elephly.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=rekado@elephly.net; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1623751716; s=zoho; d=elephly.net; i=rekado@elephly.net; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=K4EupxLJNo3Tmt0I5HEK/BcTNQyEa4JzZQ9UjjEljPA=; b=ZpWim2qWRkwDSIZ6LxP6yxa0jz9F5jjsk0XG4ZeqGVZnObcFEFAIUpkEnVxr4Bv8 uOJMxxOmi2YlD1Vl7J4TvIL4lIdVJA7zW+nGRLGW561RvQQNWz3HQYg/na2yTGWq0Ov ey5r3qtRCCCBoI5X36IwEuePIyD9NDzxnCSn+AHc= Received: from localhost (p54ad4d47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.173.77.71]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1623751714111428.22610551800415; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 03:08:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <20210530083847.o5ej63obqnzpwnbd@thebird.nl> <20210531174748.mhaelcqwmo7degfc@thebird.nl> <87y2bkfqm4.fsf@gnu.org> <20210614142923.tp23ba6htoao4vfv@thebird.nl> <35dd481ec1c8c2e8f1f65b74bcdbe1980da3b5b0.camel@student.tugraz.at> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.15; emacs 27.2 From: Ricardo Wurmus To: Leo Prikler Subject: Re: Idea: a meta language for (language) build systems - npm, Racket, Rust cargo In-reply-to: <35dd481ec1c8c2e8f1f65b74bcdbe1980da3b5b0.camel@student.tugraz.at> X-URL: https://elephly.net X-PGP-Key: https://elephly.net/rekado.pubkey X-PGP-Fingerprint: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:08:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtrrqw2p.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ZohoMailClient: External Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.143.188.51; envelope-from=rekado@elephly.net; helo=sender4-of-o51.zoho.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1623751754; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=K4EupxLJNo3Tmt0I5HEK/BcTNQyEa4JzZQ9UjjEljPA=; b=CIs8w7kei05yN0+sYBOe686F9GyLCo/Sf87ufvXq3JpDZS5qmp8eFZU5vrN/t9jDWYTla4 +rpqIDW8Q6ZjS9uWQTqMeP7Tj0qIpXD4mNfGOJsu08MxwzGDUMmOOx43K7qA1Aet1x+zaz 2IswPcAYLDhcE6Vd/h1t9Tf69Fx1kiPeyHhEGjs9JGDQTCwoqB44CX1RwpeLwuabpzUDFD ktVr0MIaKYCp/3dPvdVNRJ/DbkPZUa9R/n1PtXa5IismnQGKP8RXTLb0UeitW1+MsAVy/6 0lXEJWY9rTa6nRj5CIdRJVJJzsqFVL9oMtemARgzP5cv/HFNXK1DOTpe0/YB5g== ARC-Seal: i=2; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1623751754; a=rsa-sha256; cv=fail; b=PSVMC24NIiTI3yjMxtCTSrIaIlJrkcpIim+6M4bwGwLW/KGSMXin9q+qTAPExt5g+CcnjI hPDhndC8daBDcLtNoVKAE0MnqT7AN9/wDJbuIrpZ278/1PzfwHDpjlEAt2xn3uYf8qdFIB KrYwyuDC+1PwPUBdI3vAVekWoKtsjMRIaXacWbU/PGGzZ4t4rkeNBUNRgzQhTq9JII6bEZ 8JnfCBnYwuaWMbGHek2aK2N5RzfUkXt7i060Zr8IDJN7eB9VtcQsdxbS0txDX43EEKkx2p dvCp0eoXhf1CmLXAarCv73dZDM1C9nVIQosYKkDbIVidNUmTZYVT5jTkcWP8Mg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=elephly.net header.s=zoho header.b=ZpWim2qW; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.58 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=elephly.net header.s=zoho header.b=ZpWim2qW; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EE8AA28549 X-Spam-Score: 0.58 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: k2n2nNfwcJYB Leo Prikler writes: > Guix as a build system, with or without GWL, is fine as long as=20 > it's > just fun and games [=E2=80=A6] I keep seeing GWL in unexpected places, so I feel the need to=20 state that the GWL is not meant to help anyone *build* software.=20 It=E2=80=99s meant to let you *combine* applications and *run* them on an=20 HPC cluster (or on a bunch of physical or virtual machines) to=20 process raw data. The intended use case is scientific workflows. Don=E2=80=99t try to use the GWL as a build system; it will end in tears. --=20 Ricardo