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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1624204265; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=t3eTGi6mv89ZFB1RbalslE+38o14jxZDK6JX9RQgEt4=; b=C4yVCr9JjoeglNmY/TAzGgK+1uFnaOyKYJVwjDSCtfGWmMu+D3nQCqOq7nq22fj2z/RkOT P+cN9OdmN0b6YfSxyKjm/krUJezvyBweeNSExCX9iRHvgBJjS9v2r5zg767UmJHAjDHQ5h oGr9VC5ieLiOB8Xpqbh8m5QQSOO2FvJyWjSYldKkfGDZANTkJfc5PTX7eWKxVhI5iUSd3H RnbuF50CCJAZ2UEUYls9fB4rTVVG6d/W21GDRW9ZfKoCRg0dl+pHchSB6TGHs6PsUXKiT+ 0pZVZx982g22sdddBMIcyW5qbXi4CTn9pWDiPjHp5zvTPa7o4gqCz8TSnYeGtg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1624204265; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Wn8mTjVyDNhXGJgSs4I+vB35k5sqlFwSgVibYhmSa6sWD12EW3GX4vuGg38bHtgKA5vXxS 5RCdA1Wr64w2Ncoj1Q2p+oFFVCdKsjtZoeyPfbm/UxdgNumMmtKc1KaZVWmdVGJyDwMMrt nRc7FZxT5S1UtnChRf/H3/TuBU3GKDpd61pGvSt+u9fUUYAH52Sfv5BN49R9d9bnU/43aY 8ZRO2MxBIcN+L2ECP/y9tXhIYSeteOQhOfxn6z5gOj2XIZcZG2YlltdJ7k0/kAg7O8iweH LnalnYmKM92hdwdmu80dNbyxdWVpR/WAmTEP9BcNLbyGr3SC/uQjQtzkl5WSDw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.93 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 103FFE38E X-Spam-Score: -2.93 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: CcPIYfbJh4yt Hi, Giovanni Biscuolo skribis: > I apreciated the laconic statement by Tobias Geerinckx-Rice on Sat, 12 > Jun 2021 22:35:40 +0200 [1]: > > > This is not a point of discussion. Telemetry or =E2=80=98phoning home= =E2=80=99=20 > for updates must be opt-in if possible or disabled entirely=20 > otherwise. Would you care to submit a patch? > > > AFAIU there is a general consensus above all GNU Guix maintainers (and > all FSDG compliant distros) on the above statement: am I wrong? I think you=E2=80=99re right; I think phoning home should be either disabled opt-in. As Leo Prikler wrote, it=E2=80=99s arguably a legal obligation in some jurisdictions. Ludo=E2=80=99.