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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Xinglu Chen , guix-maintainers@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643038683; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=A3UIPFw9gZ9yNw9a6fK1VnxQfwWOvbEqptCxx6XYLKY=; b=UQztT07l3lexbGFcD5gb74IbdM88OM7v9Nom2Q8GLGFKLVjLNKlCeepVWvdGdRtVna0hQN ru+9jF/1haqr6U25ymGBs1zWH72MKDvToN+zv50jB36SSOWK6wNJmOhsXKngdmdJ1cesQL oLNlsPoADW3/Cy8JGWB8B4HCrpgUVy/K5Ow/8Xd/bA0HxMsImHpoN8p5oOYvG23xCy/GEN PT4E7o8ZNihIAokKXEW8Kkqu2goXWDl9Y2gpGA0ZkYfm0EesxvfmCwCZdyNoZKeVORj0wS AUa3FvcsZ5H41oToAv4//WUuAaD/xu2tEf/fAm11Y2LiSkIFoAxERzKsdonorw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643038683; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=kEKp9vuGCqj+jmrWcM/slzwAue400ZnmsN4kGE0zJFzltTcZV4BaZoGlqHZ/4XEbPoLf08 sIs2h8N9ab1COe8cx9zRVeaXYD8C5SLEeZnx7rW39Jn8NbG+EWl7qD9OTMf9NNwcuOHvef H+snTPl9oqsiUrdPaVz/99u/SxCXEJy2CRjYeDdNxviXcCSPnRa1bMhrWa3YqCMd929F0K 3y3UG4DC2OQ3w3iN3MQbS96QYFuMCZu/kZ+uFpOKbVxiFdjC+vNHdFBwtcM5mVUIOElmcZ 5IwXC2pIccTkjSmgHOkeDMHD4UOLuQPKoE7bphmg3debO4xKgp1vRbae229fDQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2615E4468B X-Spam-Score: -3.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: TgSfO1XfpIMG Hi Andrew, Andrew Tropin skribis: >> Making Guix Home part of Guix was and still is a commitment, in >> particular the commitment that we=E2=80=99d all be working on one >> implementation, that there are no =E2=80=9Ccompetitive incompatible >> implementations=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s a choice we made, not a phenomen= on we=E2=80=99re >> passively observing. > > This is exactly what I want to achieve: To be able to collectively work > on one consistent implementation, but fee0bc, which slipped to the > master unreviewed, splitted home service configuration approach into two > competitive implementations, a few essential home services in guix repo > and bigger rest of non-essential stuck in rde. I love that rde is going much further than Guix, but I think it=E2=80=99s in nobody=E2=80=99s interest to =E2=80=9Ccompete=E2=80=9D. The change in question was discussed at length and reviewed at . > I already mentioned at least two possible ways to handle this > situtation: > 1. Rewrite the rest of rde home services. > 2. Rollback this change. > > I'm ok with both options, but #1 requires much more human hours to > complete and I still not sure if fee0bc was introduced for strong > reasons or was added almost accidentially. So I try to find a > justification for this change. I don=E2=80=99t want to cause troubles in rde for you and its users, but I = also don=E2=80=99t want Home decisions to be discussed there. >> Are there Guix Home issues reporting this? >> > > Just a 3 cases I observed in Guix Russia telegram chat. OK. I don=E2=80=99t see anything at though, = which is where I=E2=80=99d expect bug reports for Guix Home. [...] >> Are there any new arguments since the already lengthy discussions that >> led to fee0bced7fec2f9950957976a28f033edd4f877c? Is it really what=E2= =80=99s >> leading to Guix Home being stale, or is there something else? > > IMO, changes to text-config in fee0bc really makes it harder to continue > the work on many Guix Home related tasks. It feels exaggerated to me, but that=E2=80=99s perhaps because I=E2=80=99m = overlooking important aspects. I=E2=80=99d like us to move forward on this. I think the best course of ac= tion is to focus on concrete things rather than abstract design discussions. Can we move, one by one, a few more services from rde to Home? Earlier I mentioned the SSH client service, but there are more. When we move them, let=E2=80=99s see if problems arise related to this pattern or to other changes made in Guix Home. At that point perhaps it=E2=80=99ll be cl= earer for everyone (or at least for me) what concrete problems this poses and how we could address it. How does that sound? In the meantime I submitted a patch for my first Home service this week-end. :-) Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.