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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Liliana Marie Prikler Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645460677; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=AUQGxK3NLQoXKO1Pax1HFAXh1gOKChiU/BHlQGK33QY=; b=MkTduPirs1K2F817hiVgtRxCgvsBKkbLfUtr0CjTURrXGHWbFHNVlemGfCy7IduPrmkGYR CEDJeEoJUlJuvq2EbUhuXqaiXTGciUrqJdbNNEW19w0dEReDmdQeA/dStjn3xQAu4AN0N7 H/1ZmK9mG/wHBiYj2ZTGhbLh0sOIqrfdgRc4SYLogYxa8Uvnv8gttxS7NAZH37bZjXaCY6 P+QMM1vpuTvwBWuupBhxPfC/w59cJlwQ2yFiD0EhW3k3JsKIMDNLh9EGfiSp9OM80V53BE m8vhkH7TarS91KgdIq1wG6nlVoL3cbkXtw7V6asSU0HCSgKGwYEj2gEoqje4IA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645460677; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=VcWT3CtCXnqkcHuC8iOGn3iO9suYeQFnUWUXgTjeShzQeqjE9Ev9MMv3l60YXym1GZPrj1 Mcfp0fSedr6ufNMCJLl1XnNSiJ3G+o32tjaIrmsOpGHDpdIvqRMqSBy/qwRdKJxiyIdDeJ mqM6wJxKLyh8hRRFP2gXAsJ8ARU4ZgTMBHHKxxuIyPbvFW87sxi3SPGKuE/aQPirGZ4oYi X9WXi4jyLtJxkFeWHFhoGPkwxJOUsN4c+51DiHWI7uuNg+evpCGFtDAz7awc/Afx9SYrFr kSGwXOuqIDZ13hZ1dvDvBoH+bUdwkgidBfqJSA/A7yihGiXYB98gcte46TSIHA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D83963787E X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: IF0pHgxefHRP Taylan Kammer writes: > On 20.02.2022 22:37, Thiago Jung Bauermann wrote: >>=20 >> Taylan Kammer writes: >>=20 >>> Just one remark for them: most women I know would think twice before >>> spending time trying to get into a community whose rules intentionally >>> don't acknowledge sex-based discrimination. >>=20 >> Honest question, because (IIUC) this is the whole point of having a CoC: >>=20 >> Do those women believe that =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 harassment-free experienc= e for everyone, >> regardless of =E2=80=A6 gender identity and expression, =E2=80=A6 or sex= ual identity and >> orientation.=E2=80=9D would not cover any potential harassment that they= could >> be subjected to while participating in Guix=E2=80=99s community? > > If no characteristics were listed at all, it wouldn't matter, but if ther= e's > a long list yet 'sex' is explicitly excluded, that seems rather hostile, > even if it doesn't mean that Guix maintainers would actually ignore > harassment that happened on the grounds of someone's sex. > > Happy to talk more about this off-list. As it stands I'm rather embarras= sed > that this thread immediately blew up and wish I hadn't posted it at all n= ow. Ah okay, hadn't seen this post before I replied. It seems the issue is closed then. Look forward to everyone getting back to hacking. :)