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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1652022097; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=PhIIqlwgWGgo1q23MMSYCQCtb9TysB6tUhbT3CvheHQ=; b=OUzTQSe5h++euDHqaBDlAz6o1+r1LVt05NUERHoErTcGD77sb2y+o7U5LH6aSc8qU1ePRR 2zQR4a7DCRwvAUcbO53uk9XblfSTk7wNblsXcOuWUVNewbCq3ZS1RSTaC+raTQQgoLUSh8 xP+iWOJthFjhmBNzGJ+4mJEppUIbAwng2KXA8jwa2Ww3PD7ejBCD2/6YQlbUtNfB4EAaYM ga72n071wm+UAjT9fWKSeOgiSbFCIRDzsznE0uY4Qu0WLd4kiO0zAI8HwAZRTBUYs0w0oB Er0cPZNE7tdHPzAdWUoldgtT05eJiklNLAsIonUgFEThRhm/FOUVMpyqsq585Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1652022097; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Z2GK9rS9ka4xFtfm5I1hXdqZiXsObwJSKrmnuJdqmYUybmUFHBXA2cbwue6FPrfGErQAcx dnmHcGB48l4dGWrPONB0FuPHTm1w5fpTjwZWFe0eEDzLj8ySVH03VCR16EMTD6ziLSkTn6 RtxflqFOVSbF5HxXifzcJf8lBNeGmMKaAXkXgp5W12AhzA7mYHjXPTPIJL/CgQPEOH8M48 pBqgnGQ+KEHNwRjVtiiyWpUtPh8Zay89bPkoK5BdvBLO5HHkr3P7+cNvvaYe1Pn6Q/dy/i 35OoBzSUkELE/Hw8FhI5ilV6JMr+t8/oUVHsyR9wSOqc4s8ui7FPV/cy3kF8WA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=eauchat.org header.s=mail header.b=XQs73ffe; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=eauchat.org (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 6.19 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=eauchat.org header.s=mail header.b=XQs73ffe; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=eauchat.org (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B58BBEFAF X-Spam-Score: 6.19 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: PL5RvdyQLqXz Amazing indeed! On 07 May 2022 at 16:11, Larry Doolittle wrote: >> The common objection is: =E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=99re building from source bu= t you=E2=80=99re not >> gonna audit all that source code anyway, so why bother?=E2=80=9D [...] >> Supply chain security is a spectrum and I think this achievement changes >> what we can expect and demand. > > I've had this conversation before, any my analogy is to the > three legs of a stool. Bootstrapped toolchains, reproducible builds, > and source-code audits. Each one is arguably useless without the others, > but taken together, you've actually accomplished something meaningful. > Maybe I should also include "cryptographically signed artifact distributi= on" > on that list. > In a similar line, Bunnie Huang gave an interesting talk about the hardware trust level a few years ago [0], which led to the Precursor project [1,2]. Cheers, S=C3=A9bastien [0] https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10690-open_source_is_insufficient_to_solve_= trust_problems_in_hardware [1] https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor [2] https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3D5979