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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655371697; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=zYSg7HjO4iVSoBG9/aKw+hi3YgtUp/1zjHVgbR8z8R8=; b=FfkJaCFT/Re7464DImrDp87TZK+rcjG80S/3uLItAfVP40Qx/jdE3bo9Y1blGD2HV4kE6e wzmU3SdB0JJ+/4aUZBBBwfGuscbPouMmNWVcV0UWY00HGx9Hr0GPQ/AkMVoMKn57bMSGdr ugrwKnbyn3eZ8XOC9vMcZx0jSzF0shq0qwfNNpQ3LQRiQAdmO7QaiyzPjlBVWist4e7wJD v4rtayUMK3n4Cb1ZPyRIPenF/ehIHn/RXgPtHsLUf1GGuiiTegY4eQMUHJ5Q6RvgbBYvRV QByvXVRmfzlI9dN8hCAtOihb/RjQB60LxsrSMdnkhkH6nRlrTsWfQPmoyOOZIA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655371697; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EQBGGkDn21D0xccKRKwfgKa8AYZKX+vF9ePyMYZP2aaRA4L+S55UWFdIBgnAaHupuhR0qu ri3XtYFZRXFNPTxnxv+z3DEc78gRcjcAmSjPP4FZOAu1kiFcrceq2m1r1rixbi+hJfqMJi Ut3n2Dj0U4iF+/zRqz7OlOlHBvYuj+PwyEzvUBWNexlTV1PkU7V9eQ369Nc4mgYzn4Ra5E g1OdQePaYFJcBqNbaEzql38pGZZ7lqcfKwWwXpfTaYH1gk6PaiLVmLPAA5nnHsZPoaX+RG t5GZuFJDPWuHR+jobH6gnoUetzIAvxM4aTlf3y9SpTeP3nbsXnf7zKbA6jq4+A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=jpoiret.xyz header.s=dkim header.b="EtpUYv/B"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=jpoiret.xyz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.99 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=jpoiret.xyz header.s=dkim header.b="EtpUYv/B"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=jpoiret.xyz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C3D541BAF2 X-Spam-Score: -7.99 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: kqY8d4Gidr+u Hello, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: >> * switching gdm-configuration-wayland? to #t, so that the OOB experience >> with Wayland sessions is better. > > Perhaps I=E2=80=99m biased because I use Xorg, but I wonder how good a de= fault > that is? To put it differently, what fraction of the user base uses > Wayland? I'm not sure, it does seem like a fraction of people use it on IRC but then again it's more likely that Wayland users would talk about it, X being the default. If there are no outstanding bugs with Wayland Gnome though, I think it'd be a better choice: no tearing in the default configuration, and better designed. GUI Toolkits seem to have adapted pretty well, and we still have XWayland for the rest. The most glaring non-Wayland app would be Emacs, but emacs-next-pgtk is fully Wayland-native. For me the #1 reason though is onboarding experience: take a user of another distro that uses their favorite Wayland compositor, and wants to try out Guix. They install it through the Guix installer, and don't understand (yet) how to read the whole documentation and write their own config file fully. They add sway to their system packages, reconfigure, but next reboot GDM doesn't show Sway in the available sessions; they then decide it's not worth their time and go back to their old distro. This default change would make sure that it Just Works Out of The Box=E2=84=A2 on first install. For the other deprecation changes, I agree, let's just wait a bit longer. Best, --=20 Josselin Poiret