From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ricardo Wurmus Subject: Re: User-Friendlyness of Guix and non-scaryness, printing messages Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:24:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgpe4urh.fsf@elephly.net> References: <87bbe3e5.AEAAKL2r-KIAAAAAAAAAAAOtUOAAAAACwQwAAAAAAAW9WABZGcQo@mailjet.com> <87y3tw4kw3.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2zfx0xt.fsf@gnu.org> <427678e8.AEUAKjfDcSgAAAAAAAAAAAPB0agAAAACwQwAAAAAAAW9WABZKceD@mailjet.com> <20170528204437.6dfd35c4@scratchpost.org> <20170528192058.GF15883@jasmine> <20170528214029.58dafacf@scratchpost.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51163) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dFcSW-0007aU-RW for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2017 04:24:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dFcSW-0001ql-0x for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2017 04:24:56 -0400 In-reply-to: <20170528214029.58dafacf@scratchpost.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Danny Milosavljevic Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org > Previously, I thought that the reason that guix prints so much is that > it doesn't log it to a file. But it turns out that it does log it (at > least it has a build log per derivation), also in the failure case. > Why print it then when there's no failure? It doesn't help the user > at all. [They’re] not gonna frame the output and hang it on a wall :) I agree that Guix is too verbose by default. It would be sufficient if Guix told the user that it is building from source for some reason. Upon failure it can print the location of the build log. -- Ricardo GPG: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC https://elephly.net