From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ricardo Wurmus Subject: Re: my latest blog post Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:02:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgbp1ilt.fsf@elephly.net> References: <877enaimsn.fsf@fastmail.com> <87po11j46q.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34711) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRPFp-00058R-60 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:49:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRPFk-0006Ya-Fb for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:49:05 -0400 Received: from sender-of-o51.zoho.com ([135.84.80.216]:21086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRPFk-0006YA-4a for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:49:00 -0400 In-reply-to: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Fis Trivial Cc: "guix-devel@gnu.org" , Joshua Branson Fis Trivial writes: > time. Little off topic, what I want to say is that, if I didn't tried to > evaluate any code from string, how come a modern interpreter can tell me > the error is happened in "unknown file" "unknown line"? Especially the > "unknown file". I cannot answer this without more context. In the case of Guix this sometimes happens because of code staging, which is described in detail here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1709.00833 It=E2=80=99s a known limitation that is not easy to solve in general. > So, in general, I believe that, if the guile project still have the > desire of making some waves, user friendliness should be the first > priority. Not those improvement mentioned in the manual like > implementing python. Different people work on different things that they find interesting. It=E2=80=99s not a good idea to tell other people what they should spend th= eir volunteering time on. Somebody who currently works on bringing Python to the Guile VM may be in a unique position to do just that, but would be a terrible choice for the job of improving compiler messages. A volunteer project of this size simply doesn=E2=80=99t work this way. I do know, though, that a discussion on guix-devel@gnu.org is not going to lead to the desired outcome in Guile. Only work on Guile can achieve that. For discussions about Guile, to submit proposals and to volunteer your time for implementing the proposals, please continue this discussion with the Guile community on guile-devel@gnu.org. -- Ricardo