From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeremiah@pdp10.guru Subject: Re: Stop it. Formerly - Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:19:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87lg670zpt.fsf@ITSx01.pdp10.guru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41318) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gJq26-0007AK-Cp for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:19:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gJq23-0004gw-8f for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:19:54 -0500 Received: from itsx01.pdp10.guru ([74.207.247.251]:38450 helo=itsx01) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gJq23-0004cM-2Y for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:19:51 -0500 Received: from auennplxrtxfoohp by itsx01 with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gJq1u-00020m-NV for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:19:42 +0000 List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org Perhaps, it is human nature to think in terms of conflict; right and wrong. Absolutes are naturally attractive, especially to those of us who program. It just feels so natural because what we work with the most is in many ways exactly like that. But one needs not get stuck on such a perspective. The Code of Conduct is an entirely rational and correct solution to a population of only cognitively normative individuals. But that is not the argument being made by both sides. But rather we as a community have those who fall outside of bounds of what is considered Cognitively Normal in our set of productive members and for them the Code of Conduct is a point of contention. It is entirely counter productive for that population and it isn't what historically been effective at growing productive software development communities in the past. But we need not think in such limited terms as have or not have in regards to the Code of Conduct but rather; can we carve out a zone of exclusion where those who are productive members of the community can act and interact without fear of the Code of Conduct or other normative pressure placed upon them? I propose we institute a Tony Stark <-> Pepper Pots mechanism. We create channels for people who can't or will not conform to the Code of Conduct are free to collaborate and contribute to the project through a few designated individuals who have thick skin and are willing to put up with Flaming assholes in private for the good of the project. There are multiple details we will need to hammer out over time but the general idea is we stop trying to force people who are different from contributing in a positive manner. -Jeremiah