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From: Marius Bakke <mbakke@fastmail.com>
To: "Mark H Weaver" <mhw@netris.org>, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, HiPhish <hiphish@posteo.de>
Subject: Re: Stop it. Formerly - Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 18:23:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lg66p1b7.fsf@fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87muqsmdyu.fsf@netris.org>

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Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:

> While I generally agree with the policies outlined in our CoC, and I
> support the practice of enforcing those policies through our control
> over our infrastructure and communications channels, I strongly oppose
> requiring or presuming that all participants "agree" with our policies,
> which I take to mean "declaring that they share the same opinions and
> goals".
>
> Some participants may disagree with our policies, and that's okay.
> We don't need their agreement to enforce our policies.
>
> Forcing people to declare their agreement with our policies as a
> prerequisite for participation, or worse, _presuming_ that they agree
> based on their having sent a patch or posted a message, is needlessly
> alienating to those who don't share our views.

Thank you Mark for succinctly pointing out these flaws in our current
CoC.  I agree that the language is overreaching, and think that these
discussions will continue to crop up as long as this wording is
included.

Our usage of the Contributor Covenant have deterred at least three
contributors.  I hope it has attracted and retained more than that; in
any case I think we can do better.

Also thanks to Thorsten for filing
<https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/issues/624>.
Getting this fixed upstream will benefit much more than the Guix project.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-06 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-28 11:58 Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? HiPhish
2018-10-28 12:33 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-10-28 16:14   ` Alex Griffin
2018-10-28 20:55   ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-10-29 11:27     ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-10-29 17:00       ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-10-29 17:50         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-10-29 23:54         ` OF-TOPIC: " Tonton
2018-10-29 11:29   ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-10-29  8:23 ` Björn Höfling
2018-10-29 10:10   ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-10-29 11:13     ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-10-29 17:15       ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-10-29 17:43         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-10-29 20:44     ` Björn Höfling
2018-10-29 11:08 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-10-29 18:50   ` HiPhish
2018-10-29 23:54     ` Tonton
2018-10-30  0:38       ` HiPhish
2018-10-30  5:13         ` Nils Gillmann
2018-10-31  9:27     ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-10-31 12:29       ` HiPhish
2018-10-31 12:46         ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-10-31 13:23           ` HiPhish
2018-10-31 14:14             ` Jelle Licht
2018-10-31 14:55               ` HiPhish
2018-10-31 15:41                 ` Stop it. Formerly - " Pjotr Prins
2018-10-31 17:51                   ` Leo Famulari
2018-11-01 14:40                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-11-01 15:11                       ` Alex Griffin
2018-11-02  2:04                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-11-04  9:15                         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-11-04 14:30                           ` HiPhish
2018-11-04 21:01                           ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-11-06 12:55                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-11-06 17:23                         ` Marius Bakke [this message]
2018-11-06 17:41                           ` HiPhish
2018-10-31 12:30       ` HiPhish
2018-10-31 13:48         ` Jelle Licht
2018-10-31 14:55           ` HiPhish
2018-10-31 17:17             ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-11-01 10:35             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-10-31 13:48         ` Thomas Danckaert
2018-10-31 14:06           ` Alex Griffin
2018-10-31 14:55           ` HiPhish
2018-10-31 16:41             ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-11-01  2:58             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-11-01  9:14         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-11-01  8:40       ` Steffen Schulz
2018-10-29 11:37 ` Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? (-> convivenza) Nils Gillmann
2018-10-29 11:45   ` Nils Gillmann
2018-10-29 12:01   ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-10-29 12:48 ` Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? Giovanni Biscuolo
     [not found]   ` <9066320.aHiQMI0tiE@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740>
2018-10-29 18:49     ` HiPhish
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2018-11-06  1:19 Stop it. Formerly - " Jeremiah

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