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Guix sets > SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH=1 ... so it might just work by dumb luck! Though There > may be some rare packages that need SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH to be some larger > value... "It can't possibly be 1970, this program was first written in > 2002, there must be some error, failing build..." > > At any rate, if diverging from upstream Tex Live is how Guix wants to > handle this, I'm all for it! Seems we have a small consensus here (Ludo, you and myself); would you like to give it a try? Thanks, Maxim