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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1657633358; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=hysAbROd6LICDW0QX7QISVmme3z0C4vlu+/QdijATyg=; b=Exe0XJjGkWBOQMBUkZV/zgWr6fwsS/sft2S/Md7PxTCcVzU+PWzvcBdxAB2i5Be/AWz6Or fB2Bbj89gjjF/1xn/oSD6GpfIhfKWRMrWkSXcVWsNstINNvOLaoO06X4z3XKF+MrowMhKZ 4yT7HUYxkzxfUSJWVK7fDQe+AdZZNvDZMXY2WPy/kRmTBFWtdnnfDzNLi1R83MGKlXtdUE LlemOa/VHHaCGrclcq+x+SloobCKTKrL7erpZuoUAQhyKIukuJQvlw7kYqUwMxxo6hxsd6 lbNX5AXWXJ7fspiSCT1CcG7NUx90egbvtmIHno8CiTHXJeJTz/j9GkKIy5AtfA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1657633358; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=cKeigFR/3CmWAXXj5q6FDaIw0jvlJCtsxo55NY1Ibv3b9Rtses4nJBq21ndlS1Ts46zsZV S9dq4hEnzSJGWYWdQkZqq/3T6eE/ND/c1z48Ub3f8F4xtvtwJVVrpzSha6BtsAHuxaBf3w kMJuM1SzY/pmgyEeUq3KG+mS6Tz8pQ4/bPsG1eknwNOtwWDjSnoSXWbUSeLLK/dY+4zE9y J56fMsvBRxwjjxWvNDji3M25QADg5SM+C+pUdoYS+weFui7mF1gFpojpJ1MeH44sPSXGUZ 0KCE4hP9ciqEiDLD4AWR/0moSBlPPJDsZ/J4Y3mAMS1MncRlf7aCoudidmKgBw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=JpblxlSJ; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.75 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=JpblxlSJ; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 67E623718 X-Spam-Score: -9.75 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: sln0/6TufhTY Josselin Poiret writes: > Hello, > > Joshua Branson writes: > To be clear, I did not write the next paragraph. I was quoting the previous discussion. :) >> I would love for Guix to be a Multi Kernel package manager (I mean it >> works on the Hurd also, but I have never encountered a Hurd user in real >> life). My dream would be to port Guix to Plan 9 ;-) > > I don't think Guix runs on the Hurd in the same way that Guix runs on > Linux: the (gnu system hurd) tells me that the daemon is started with > --disable-chroot, which actually disables all isolation mechanisms. > There would need to be a significant effort to port the isolation > mechanisms to the Hurd. > > Seeing how the daemon is in general left alone since C++ is hard > compared to Scheme (and there's always the "but we could rewrite it in > Guile" excuse), combined with the difficulty of interfacing with > kernels, I'm not sure BSD support (or even Hurd support) will appear > anytime soon. > To be fair, Guix does support the Hurd. You can run the guix package manager on the Hurd. Guix System does not yet support the Hurd. Though I believe I talked with a user in the guix community that was running GNU Guix System/Hurd, but the issue he ran into was that he has no wifi support. Then something broke in GNU Guix System/Hurd and he no longer run GNU Guix System/Hurd on real hardware. > > Best,