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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=GobCUE9v; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1677348567; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EKYQdLCVRRCEFTGy0eljBjCOD/P1v1gay0h/sTwH+8b9DXLwktGWnglEMljcgHrrXh1Kq8 mGGLzf3rszLzYI4gEMpbv1utC0c1FpIhdsaYSfPWjFEGaGFRbu5pBNjF5f6dvZnM8y+7bx Oy4nr/2Jy1mXBFp0TEYYULCEk/5ZwfLO6VWLodFkQ7ZYVCdjoSO29Pf1ITdJk1hHmMBts7 GmJ6oH6Z8vhBTL+u4KWhArf90/9UPj2RwbbGca3TU4BdJ88wCGMwtn8Hpk7BemWueA8vRa FSwjl39/Lsvl2xQOV09f8yMnV2BDKC8fahqS8CpcSqE/WJTfR0FBb3WeiPLNlw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1677348567; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=g3AU9K2Thulhq46A1zLr4UKeBC1LaBG2XVZhJGUgw58=; b=ImdeG6aUXIUflsj2FM9RJp5c0im54KD6eVgnwlGaG5J0kvJxDh9B6djUsuEpTARyi7ukf7 5jgWfXudE2NcnLPYjhB0qDaSMZupO3CC6+HMvRiM9fXSNuuOIDBZNWN9FDsbbWcrB9UjrJ b5ucalGn8LM31Vh8L2lfK6ynby0enwSMeB8gNx9MijpDNly454DlDLin77Rxb7t6S30ajG ZjRlw1m4YDeJDhnvj34LavWRMO/9K1zn9uvH8gqkewA5uXRnXVwyfjbS5mA4QC2+DEA0qS T9xAUfPkInVm9bypMVvaR2RBJj+N29Hq7X4tA64ejhTfJeTnG4PWJ6WUqCc2gA== Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=GobCUE9v; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.44 X-Spam-Score: -8.44 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8E026E9E X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 7bmqGrhGBJfG Hi, Adam Faiz skribis: > I just have 1 question: Why is there a need for `herd status` to > display whether a service is in a starting or stopping state? > > From the perspective of the shepherd, a service that is starting isn't > running yet, and a service that is stopping isn't stopped yet. > The "starting" and "stopping" states are just an implementation detail > to handle the shepherd being asynchronous. It's the running and > stopped states that a user wants to know about a service. The way I see it, it=E2=80=99s more about improving the introspection capabilities so that users can peek into service state as known to shepherd. I don=E2=80=99t see a good reason to hide that info. Ludo=E2=80=99.