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From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@tobias.gr>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Cc: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bioconductor package flowPeaks license Artistic 1.0?
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 18:18:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k16si685.fsf@nckx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3okZ164w_95i=BOimS0u3OgB8bp9CS43r6u_z_X_pCyAXX2A@mail.gmail.com>

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Zimoun,

Thank you for fighting for this package in Guix.  I hope upstream 
sees the light and Clarifies things.

zimoun 写道:
>  Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
>> It would be great if they could use the Clarified Artistic 
>> License
>> instead.  It’s really close to the Artistic 1.0, so unless they 
>> really
>> want the non-free interpretation of Artistic 1.0 it should be 
>> no trouble
>> for them to switch.

This is the only solution.  Any other licence in licenses.scm is 
fine too.

> The file guix/licenses.scm contains "non-copyleft" therefore why 
> do
> not put the licenses Artistic 1.0 under this label? It will 
> allow the
> inclusion of this package -- and probable others from 
> Bioconductor.

‘Non-copyleft’ does not mean ‘non-free’.  All packages in Guix 
must be free.  The Artistic 1.0 licence is *not free*.[0]

I do understand your frustration & hacker instinct to ‘fix’ the 
problem in some clever way, but that's not how licences work.  The 
Artistic 1.0 story really ends here.

I'm not trying to demotivate you.  I just don't want you to waste 
your time & effort in this dead-end direction.  Bugging upstream 
until they respond is the only solution.

> Well, I have read both licenses and the Clarified one does not 
> appear
> me clearer; they are both doomed!

I hope you'll understand that I'm also not trying to be rude when 
I say (y)our personal opinions are entirely valid and absolutely 
irrelevant :-)

The FSF's legal counsel has decided that the Clarified version 
does in fact ‘correct the vagueness of of the Artistic License 
1.0’[2].

> Other said, calling Artistic 1.0 non-free in this Bioconductor 
> case is
> more a flavour of taste than a real legal issue.

No, it's a very real legal issue.  :-(

> Especially when this
> very Artistic 1.0 "qualifies as a free software license, but it 
> may
> not be a real copyleft" [1].

…but that's not this very licence, it's a completely different 
one: the (disjunct) combination of the Artistic 1.0 licence *and 
the GPL*, i.e. ‘choose one’.  The result is only free because you 
can *ignore* the Artistic 1.0 part.

Kind regards,

T G-R

[0]: 
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#ArtisticLicense
[1]: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#PerlLicense
[2]: 
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#ClarifiedArtistic

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-19 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-24 15:02 Bioconductor package flowPeaks license Artistic 1.0? zimoun
2019-07-24 21:15 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-07-25  9:58   ` zimoun
2019-07-25 12:47     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-19 16:38       ` zimoun
2019-12-19 17:17         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-19 17:29           ` zimoun
2019-12-19 20:10             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-19 21:18               ` zimoun
2019-12-19 17:18         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice [this message]
2019-12-19 17:29           ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-12-19 18:04             ` zimoun
2019-12-19 17:56           ` zimoun
2019-12-19 20:24             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-12-19 21:40               ` zimoun
2019-12-20  9:28                 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-12-20 10:47                   ` zimoun
2019-12-20 14:40                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-20 11:55               ` Guix and Bioconductor Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-12-20 14:38                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-21 10:06                   ` [OT] " Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-12-19 18:18           ` Bioconductor package flowPeaks license Artistic 1.0? zimoun
2019-12-20 10:24             ` Perl modules dual licensing (was Re: Bioconductor package flowPeaks license Artistic 1.0?) Giovanni Biscuolo

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