From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marius Bakke Subject: Re: drop net-tools from %base-packages? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 22:19:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87k1611w93.fsf@devup.no> References: <877e2bm76p.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> <87o8vedqe2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36361) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ipIk7-00086A-Uz for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 16:19:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ipIk6-00068T-QP for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 16:19:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87o8vedqe2.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , Simon Josefsson Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hello Simon! > > Simon Josefsson skribis: > >> I'm not sure how to best find out what tools are actually used by Guix, >> but on my system the following tools appear to be installed: >> >> root@hamster ~# ls -la /run/current-system/profile/*bin/|grep net-tool|a= wk '{ print $9 }' >> netstat >> route >> arp >> ipmaddr >> iptunnel >> mii-tool >> nameif >> plipconfig >> rarp >> slattach >> root@hamster ~#=20 >> >> Is anything else from net-tools used? >> >> Most of the tools are esoteric. I suspect the more well-known tools are >> 'route', 'netstat', 'arp' and 'rarp'. > > Of these I use =E2=80=98netstat=E2=80=99 regularly, and =E2=80=98route=E2= =80=99 sometimes. I've finally gotten used to 'ss' to the point where I reach for it before 'netstat'. It's also shorter to type, like 'ip r' vs 'route'. >> My Debian buster laptop has none of the tools above installed. In fact, >> the net-tools package is not even installed by default. It seems all >> uses have transitioned over to the modern 'iproute' suite. >> >> Thus, I suggest Guix drop net-tools from its required tools. People who >> are nostalgic about the tools can install them separately, just like on >> Debian. > > That sounds reasonable to me. > > Any objections, people? If not let=E2=80=99s do that. None from me, I've considered this in the past too. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEu7At3yzq9qgNHeZDoqBt8qM6VPoFAl4WR3gACgkQoqBt8qM6 VPphNgf/Q2Lnbb5ts2xLyhFF23QnXsZsfo7yn4+TLg4a+oBMZ90Q70DYzihEx2Qm 2lryidceYCWg7+3I3NGHS4sd5Aau2ouySjyQL/pPY0t/kh5HMOGb3FlpV/1TFuMj fhpEfBnywh/IoLXtGDy8+9L8Z+3S2f+2j3ELOx1e0i1FW/fbny9nib6swnCa+v8g KxSU/9RDiWzQUbyR4xnsD/pDEYXbPR+iN49sg/rSj9IclYi07KyIW47RMZVCYV5P Dm5Us198vWc/2NQlgVGmQiHLVZMhtOGdTv4OUyoeS+0yRDlKVEnD4zILU/JhYD/J JtZoMgBPrCzseTAYuF1ZnYsACiAYDg== =x2HO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--