From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id EKkpO9+C7WDinAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:11:11 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id EG3ONt+C7WB8BwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:11:11 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 811AD4EB for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:41304 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3HFm-0005oq-MT for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 08:11:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35460) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3HFc-0005oi-C8 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 08:11:00 -0400 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:52314) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3HFZ-0004aC-66 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 08:11:00 -0400 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3HFM-0006Tm-8y; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 08:10:44 -0400 From: Mark H Weaver To: Bone Baboon Subject: Re: Audacity has new administration In-Reply-To: <87eec3k422.fsf@disroot.org> References: <87pmvokdr6.fsf@disroot.org> <87eec3k422.fsf@disroot.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 08:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <87k0lus9d5.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.112.178.59; envelope-from=mhw@netris.org; helo=world.peace.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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This does not > comply with the No Malware section of the FSDG. > > > The on by default telemetry collects IP address information, system > information and Audacity version information. > > > Thanks for letting us know about this. When the telemetry functionality was first added a few months ago, they emphasized that it was disabled by default. Now it seems that they have changed their minds and intend to enable some telemetry by default. We'll need to keep an eye on this, to ensure that all telemetry is disabled by default in Guix. > # Freedom 0 > > Audacity can no longer be used for any purpose. Section 3 of the Muse > Group's new privacy policy for Audacity > says: > >> 3 Minors >> >> 1 The App we provide is not intended for individuals below the age >> of 13. If you are under 13 years old, please do not use the App. I'm not a lawyer, but nonetheless I'm _highly_ confident that this language in their (draft) privacy policy has no binding force. By publishing Audacity's source code under a free software license, they have irrevocably granted the four freedoms to anyone who has a copy. Any license that would allow the copyright owner(s) to restrict the four freedoms is not a free software license. Moreover, their privacy policy is irrelevant if they aren't able to collect any information about us. By disabling telemetry, we ensure that their privacy policy is irrelevant to Guix users who do not "opt-in". Does that make sense? Regards, Mark -- Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about .