* Contributing to Guix without rDNS
@ 2025-01-30 1:29 Zacchaeus
2025-01-30 3:51 ` Brennan Vincent
2025-01-30 6:53 ` Ricardo Wurmus
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Zacchaeus @ 2025-01-30 1:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
Hi Guix Devel,
I just found out that sending a patch to guix-patches@gnu.org (all
gnu.org emails) requires reverse DNS, which requires a static IP and
consent from an ISP. I'm a digital nomad that self-hosts email on
devices strewn accross the US, so obtaining a static IP is not feasable
for me (I don't have accounts with any ISPs). I'm a little disappointed
that gnu.org wants me te centralize my email, the OG decentralized
protocol: even Google doesn't block my email. Since gnu.org blocks my
emails, I cannot send my patches to improve Guix.
Is there some way I can contribute to Guix without a static IP address,
or using some centralized gatekeeper?
-Zacchae
PS. Yes, I dug up my Google credentials to send this email. No I will
not use that as a long-term solution. It is rediculous that I need
Google to even get in contact with a GNU project.
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 1:29 Contributing to Guix without rDNS Zacchaeus
@ 2025-01-30 3:51 ` Brennan Vincent
2025-01-30 20:39 ` Zacchaeus
2025-01-30 6:53 ` Ricardo Wurmus
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Brennan Vincent @ 2025-01-30 3:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Zacchaeus; +Cc: guix-devel
You can get a cloud server from Hetzner for $5/mo and send emails from there.
> On Jan 29, 2025, at 18:30, Zacchaeus <zaccysc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guix Devel,
>
>
> I just found out that sending a patch to guix-patches@gnu.org (all
> gnu.org emails) requires reverse DNS, which requires a static IP and
> consent from an ISP. I'm a digital nomad that self-hosts email on
> devices strewn accross the US, so obtaining a static IP is not feasable
> for me (I don't have accounts with any ISPs). I'm a little disappointed
> that gnu.org wants me te centralize my email, the OG decentralized
> protocol: even Google doesn't block my email. Since gnu.org blocks my
> emails, I cannot send my patches to improve Guix.
>
> Is there some way I can contribute to Guix without a static IP address,
> or using some centralized gatekeeper?
>
>
> -Zacchae
>
>
> PS. Yes, I dug up my Google credentials to send this email. No I will
> not use that as a long-term solution. It is rediculous that I need
> Google to even get in contact with a GNU project.
>
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 1:29 Contributing to Guix without rDNS Zacchaeus
2025-01-30 3:51 ` Brennan Vincent
@ 2025-01-30 6:53 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2025-01-30 19:00 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2025-01-30 6:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Zacchaeus; +Cc: guix-devel
Zacchaeus <zaccysc@gmail.com> writes:
> I just found out that sending a patch to guix-patches@gnu.org (all
> gnu.org emails) requires reverse DNS [...]
I don't know who you should contact about this, but the Guix project is
not operating the GNU list servers. You may have better luck talking to
the people who do.
--
Ricardo
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 6:53 ` Ricardo Wurmus
@ 2025-01-30 19:00 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2025-01-30 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: Zacchaeus, guix-devel
Hi Zacchaeus,
On Thu, Jan 30 2025, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> the Guix project is not operating the GNU list servers
The Guix project could operate an authenticated mail relay for members
like Debian does, but I do not recommend it.
Kind regards
Felix
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 3:51 ` Brennan Vincent
@ 2025-01-30 20:39 ` Zacchaeus
2025-01-30 21:32 ` Brennan Vincent
2025-01-30 22:03 ` Ricardo Wurmus
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Zacchaeus @ 2025-01-30 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Brennan Vincent, Ricardo Wurmus, Felix Lechner; +Cc: Zacchaeus, guix-devel
Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> writes:
> Hi Zacchaeus,
>
> On Thu, Jan 30 2025, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>
>> the Guix project is not operating the GNU list servers
>
> The Guix project could operate an authenticated mail relay for members
> like Debian does, but I do not recommend it.
>
> Kind regards
> Felix
Ricardo makes a good point. I should probably send this specific
complaint to a different gnu.org email (and I will, later). I suppose
I'd be fine using a Guix relay to contribute to Guix, but I can't help
set that up because, again, anything I set up would be from residential
addresses that are ineligable for rDNS. As for what I wanted from
guix-devel, I was wondering how I might submit my most recent patch
(adds full Syncthing configuration support) to Guix. Based on this
conversation, I'm just going to expose my fork of Guix on my website,
continue rebasing on master, stick to the irc, and hope someone with
commit access applies my contributions...
My current long-term project is a Guix-powered box that replaces
someone's router and operates as backups, web-hosting, automatic DNS
updates, and email for you and your friends, such that two boxes can act
as full backup relays for eachother. Think FreedomBox+DDNS+friends(+a
few other details). Hence, I am opposed to rDNS and banning residential
IP's on principle.
Thanks again for the responses!
-Zacchae
PS. I know this maybe isn't the place to complain, but I'm still in
shock. Brennan's email earlier was neither TLS encrypted nor DKIM
signed, and came from an Amazon IP, but my email with TLS, SPF, DKIM,
and DMARC get's rejected because my IP address is "residential"? GNU's
not supposed to hate humans. I shouldn't need to pay some host to be an
equal member on the internet. I get that spam is a valid concern, and
I'm willing to jump through some hoops to prove personhood, but that
shouldn't involve giving up any digital autonomy.
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 20:39 ` Zacchaeus
@ 2025-01-30 21:32 ` Brennan Vincent
2025-01-31 5:58 ` Vivien Kraus
2025-01-30 22:03 ` Ricardo Wurmus
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Brennan Vincent @ 2025-01-30 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Zacchaeus; +Cc: Ricardo Wurmus, Felix Lechner, guix-devel, Zacchaeus
> On Jan 30, 2025, at 13:39, Zacchaeus <zaccysc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Zacchaeus,
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 30 2025, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>>>
>>> the Guix project is not operating the GNU list servers
>>
>> The Guix project could operate an authenticated mail relay for members
>> like Debian does, but I do not recommend it.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Felix
>
> Ricardo makes a good point. I should probably send this specific
> complaint to a different gnu.org email (and I will, later). I suppose
> I'd be fine using a Guix relay to contribute to Guix, but I can't help
> set that up because, again, anything I set up would be from residential
> addresses that are ineligable for rDNS. As for what I wanted from
> guix-devel, I was wondering how I might submit my most recent patch
> (adds full Syncthing configuration support) to Guix. Based on this
> conversation, I'm just going to expose my fork of Guix on my website,
> continue rebasing on master, stick to the irc, and hope someone with
> commit access applies my contributions...
>
> My current long-term project is a Guix-powered box that replaces
> someone's router and operates as backups, web-hosting, automatic DNS
> updates, and email for you and your friends, such that two boxes can act
> as full backup relays for eachother. Think FreedomBox+DDNS+friends(+a
> few other details). Hence, I am opposed to rDNS and banning residential
> IP's on principle.
>
>
> Thanks again for the responses!
> -Zacchae
>
>
> PS. I know this maybe isn't the place to complain, but I'm still in
> shock. Brennan's email earlier was neither TLS encrypted nor DKIM
> signed, and came from an Amazon IP, but my email with TLS, SPF, DKIM,
> and DMARC get's rejected because my IP address is "residential"?
Due to botnets, an email originating at a residential IP address is by far the strongest signal for spam that exists. Every mailing list would be unusable if it didn’t block residential IPs.
> GNU's
> not supposed to hate humans.
It doesn’t.
> I shouldn't need to pay some host to be an
> equal member on the internet. I get that spam is a valid concern, and
> I'm willing to jump through some hoops to prove personhood, but that
> shouldn't involve giving up any digital autonomy.
It would be nice if we lived in such a world, but when ideology conflicts with reality, reality has to win. There’s nothing anybody here can do about that.
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 20:39 ` Zacchaeus
2025-01-30 21:32 ` Brennan Vincent
@ 2025-01-30 22:03 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2025-01-31 0:37 ` Zacchaeus Scheffer
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2025-01-30 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Zacchaeus; +Cc: Brennan Vincent, Felix Lechner, guix-devel
Hi Zacchaeus,
> Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Zacchaeus,
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30 2025, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>>
>>> the Guix project is not operating the GNU list servers
>>
>> The Guix project could operate an authenticated mail relay for members
>> like Debian does, but I do not recommend it.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Felix
>
> Ricardo makes a good point. I should probably send this specific
> complaint to a different gnu.org email (and I will, later).
Please do. There are other anti-spam mechanisms in place, so outright
blocking mail from residential IP addresses for all GNU lists seems
excessive.
--
Ricardo
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
@ 2025-01-30 22:13 Zacchaeus
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Zacchaeus @ 2025-01-30 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Brennan Vincent; +Cc: Zacchaeus, Ricardo Wurmus, Felix Lechner, guix-devel
Well, this is emberassing. Here I am replying from my residential
email. If I had read the FSF page on this more carefully, I would have
realized that residential addresses are "greylisted", not blacklisted.
It seems like my patch went through now... Ironically, I suppose you
could say my previous messages amounted to spam.
Brennan Vincent <brennan@umanwizard.com> writes:
>> GNU's
>> not supposed to hate humans.
>
> It doesn’t.
Sorry, I was just frustrated and trying to make a point (and assuming my
patch makes it through, apparently a plain wrong point). Of course GNU
doesn't "hate humans"
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 22:03 ` Ricardo Wurmus
@ 2025-01-31 0:37 ` Zacchaeus Scheffer
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Zacchaeus Scheffer @ 2025-01-31 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: Brennan Vincent, Felix Lechner, guix-devel
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Sorry guix-devel for the confusion. In the first place, my message should
have gone to help-guix, not guix-devel. If I had read the fsf page on this
more carefully, I would have seen that residential IPs are only temporarily
blocked (greylisted). After waiting and re-delivering, it seems to have
gone through.
I replied once from my residential email, and it seemed to deliver, though
I can't see it in guix-devel archive, so replying once more from my gmail.
-Zacchae
On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 2:03 PM Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
> Hi Zacchaeus,
>
> > Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> writes:
> >
> >> Hi Zacchaeus,
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 30 2025, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> >>
> >>> the Guix project is not operating the GNU list servers
> >>
> >> The Guix project could operate an authenticated mail relay for members
> >> like Debian does, but I do not recommend it.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Felix
> >
> > Ricardo makes a good point. I should probably send this specific
> > complaint to a different gnu.org email (and I will, later).
>
> Please do. There are other anti-spam mechanisms in place, so outright
> blocking mail from residential IP addresses for all GNU lists seems
> excessive.
>
> --
> Ricardo
>
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-30 21:32 ` Brennan Vincent
@ 2025-01-31 5:58 ` Vivien Kraus
2025-01-31 16:37 ` Brennan Vincent
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vivien Kraus @ 2025-01-31 5:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Brennan Vincent, Zacchaeus; +Cc: Ricardo Wurmus, Felix Lechner, guix-devel
Hello,
Le jeudi 30 janvier 2025 à 14:32 -0700, Brennan Vincent a écrit :
> an email originating at a residential IP address is by far the
> strongest signal for spam that exists.
Are we sure about that? Nowadays a lot of routers come with a base
firewall dropping outbound traffic to destination port TCP 25.
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* Re: Contributing to Guix without rDNS
2025-01-31 5:58 ` Vivien Kraus
@ 2025-01-31 16:37 ` Brennan Vincent
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Brennan Vincent @ 2025-01-31 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vivien Kraus; +Cc: Zacchaeus, Ricardo Wurmus, Felix Lechner, guix-devel
> On Jan 30, 2025, at 22:59, Vivien Kraus <vivien@planete-kraus.eu> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>> Le jeudi 30 janvier 2025 à 14:32 -0700, Brennan Vincent a écrit :
>> an email originating at a residential IP address is by far the
>> strongest signal for spam that exists.
>
> Are we sure about that?
Apparently I was wrong to put it so strongly, since Zacchae‘s email did get through after he passed the greylisting check.
> Nowadays a lot of routers come with a base
> firewall dropping outbound traffic to destination port TCP 25.
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