From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: myglc2@gmail.com Subject: Re: my latest blog post Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:49:04 -0400 Message-ID: <87in6ra84f.fsf@g1.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60425) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRmfW-0003ug-8W for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:49:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRmfT-0001Kk-6N for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:49:10 -0400 Received: from mail-qt0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22d]:36942) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRmfT-0001KL-0a for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:49:07 -0400 Received: by mail-qt0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id q13-v6so17026436qtp.4 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 15:49:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (catonano@gmail.com's message of "Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:25:06 +0200") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Catonano Cc: guix-devel On 06/07/2018 at 17:25 Catonano writes: > I just published my latest blog post > > In this post I discuss Guix > > And I discuss Guile too > > I understand that the language is strong and I expect someone to be upset > > But I feel this is due > > Happy reading > > http://catonano.v22018025836661967.nicesrv.de/the-gnu-community.html Hi Catonano, Thank you for taking the time to contribute your thoughts. I am sorry to see you getting so beat up by the responses. Unfortunately the nit-picking of criticisms and the "we are busy, why don't you dig in and fix it" responses occur too often on the Guix lists. Such responses are fundamentally unhelpful: A defensive response of counter-criticism that spirals out of control buries the original input and alienates potential new contributors. I agree with you that the suggestion that you dig in and fix something you are struggling with is a fundamentally unfriendly response. I appreciate the effort you made to learn Guix and the risk you took to report on the problems you experienced. I am interested in getting to the root causes of your frustration. I re-read your post and emails. Would it be fair to say ... 1) The monad/daemon/store is presented as central to Guix and is very difficult to understand. If a Guix user really needs to understand it, it needs to be explained better. 2) Sending Guix users upstream for Guile support is not working. If these are correct, the reality is that only a few people on the planet are in a position to address these issues. The rest of us have to hope that they can see why it is important to stop coding long enough to do so, perhaps in collaboration with a confused user or two ;-) - George