From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Joshua Branson Subject: Re: End of beta soon? drop i686? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org swedebugia@riseup.net writes: > Hi > > > E.g. on 0.16.0-3.6ddc63e (a few days behind master) on an i686-install > on a x86 64 bit machine with a slow disk and 2GB RAM > 1) right now webkit freezes on youtube While, a FSF endorsed distro has no requirement to support a non-free website, as a youtube addict, I can see your point. I currently use Parabola's version of icecat, because it is generally better than Guix's. The last time I tried guix's iceweasel, it was *un-useable* on many sites I came across. I couldn't log into my bank account (though that's probably 'cause my bank only lets you log in via "firefox"), youtube stopped working, scrolling was choppy, changing tabs took 3+ seconds. The whole time I used it, I was just waiting for it to crash. I would have to periodically close iceweasel, because if I didn't, it would crash and suspend my system. Then I would have to do a hard restart to recover. I was unable to switch to another virtual console to kill iceweasel. This still happens occasionally with Parabola though. (note, I'm running Parabola with guix installed. I'm running guix's emacs). Also what's a freedom alternative to youtube? libre.fm is pretty swell, but their music collection doesn't seem to be increasing. I suppose I could get into podcasting some more. Does anyone know where I can freedom-ly listen to Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, and other conservative news hosts, and watch movie trailers? I suppose I could listen to their podcasts... > 3) icecat does not have a substitute available and guix package -i > icecat -n outputs: > The following derivations would be built: > /gnu/store/7wmg5qw3s45mi8ss9q3q45hfmx3j91y6-profile.drv > /gnu/store/sfpiyr8mksl13g1kycigfi7yddf9pyi1-info-dir.drv > /gnu/store/rm2hf8k5iawdqwi4ngjkndnws47cwnb7-glib-schemas.drv > /gnu/store/rc6v87y5afpn5lcxn1fpm8dhzh9psgkj-xdg-desktop-database.drv > /gnu/store/r5zvxiwbglk3z0vv1vxpr00fz0j0bavp-ca-certificate-bundle.drv > /gnu/store/hxldf31yk8v0kx2vrmdxhca0vqmgd36h-xdg-mime-database.drv > /gnu/store/kc1g4aiizjd83cmfnr29qk36znkb971f-rust-1.19.0.drv > /gnu/store/4fc6d5aw42gpypq42svdn2l00lidw8r5-rust-1.20.0.drv > /gnu/store/bzgwrd3dyw6kxq6lkrqfdh13xfl5gq2q-rust-1.21.0.drv > /gnu/store/2s3y8vpvcc2rplsf8k3m787ildyd01xi-rust-1.22.1.drv > /gnu/store/gww3qar4hrab1r6cnyafpk8wg44znzb9-rust-1.23.0.drv > /gnu/store/aq8fy5fhr5rx3na83ziv48aqy4dbbf1w-rust-1.24.1.drv > /gnu/store/70p9k9zd680lmwxqa03whpwq6xwywr1i-fonts-dir.drv > /gnu/store/65hdbc7gzlxk1fwn658y6rjqb9k1dbh4-gtk-im-modules.drv > /gnu/store/3lwwhgh4sijdb7bf7lkhnb777xxvax4v-gtk-icon-themes.drv > /gnu/store/bxz8fxgmm1cgclkz5540nxibp0n3b5c9-icecat-60.3.0-gnu1.drv > /gnu/store/s7kskm9w8fr0fr5b7m2rlap843cmqh8s-manual-database.drv > > Having heard how a horror and RAM hog rust is I simply cannot use the > web on this guix version and would have to downgrade. The problem with > downgrading is lack of information. Building guix takes time and I dont > know which latest version of guix has an icecat x86 64-bit binary. I had a similar issue a few days ago. I have 4GB of ram on a Macbook 7,1. There was no substitute available for gcc. Twice guix pull failed to, because I could not build gcc. Luckily, today there is a gcc substitute, and guix pull worked wonderfully. However, can this problem be solved by guix? This might be a problem that ought to be addressed upstream. > 5) our bug tracker is hard to navigate (for newcomers at least). > (surprisingly we do not seem to have a lot of duplicate bugs though) There is a nice web version that someone wrote. I forget where it is, but it's really slick! > To sum it up: lets not ruin what we have by rushing ahead and ending > beta too early. I reluctantly agree. -- Joshua Branson Sent from Emacs and Gnus