From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ricardo Wurmus Subject: Re: Communication and Design at Guix Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 12:10:56 +0100 Message-ID: <87imynh73z.fsf@elephly.net> References: <87k1jfuk26.fsf@gnu.org> <875zus1b2t.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48695) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gk5aM-0003ZA-QD for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 06:11:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gk5aK-000655-UZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 06:11:46 -0500 Received: from sender-of-o53.zoho.com ([135.84.80.218]:21836) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gk5aI-0005tB-Ph for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 06:11:43 -0500 In-reply-to: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: L p R n d n Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org L p R n d n writes: > Guix is ... > > ... a package and system manager. (A seen previously, system manager is > too wide) > ... a package manager and machine administrator. > ... a package and machine administrator. > ... a package and environment manager. > > WDYT? If anyone has an idea, don't be shy :) =E2=80=9Cadministrator=E2=80=9D is generally understood to be a person (as = in =E2=80=9Csystem administrator=E2=80=9D). =E2=80=9Cenvironment manager=E2=80=9D is just as = vague as =E2=80=9Csystem manager=E2=80=9D, in my opinion =E2=80=94 =E2=80=9Ceverything is the enviro= nment!=E2=80=9D. It only makes sense to people who are already familiar with the term =E2=80=9Cenvironment=E2=80=9D in a computing context. That=E2=80=99s the advantage the word =E2=80=9Cpackage manager=E2=80=9D has= =E2=80=94 it=E2=80=99s already a well-established term, for better or worse. > I'd like to keep the "package manager" part as it'll probably ring a > bell to any linux user and helps understand the not so familiar part > (system/environment dealing). Right, that=E2=80=99s what I meant. We are underselling Guix, though, if we keep referring to it as a =E2=80=9Cpackage manager=E2=80=9D, because people=E2=80=99s familiarity wit= h other package managers may make them think in smaller terms. FWIW, I=E2=80=99m with Ludo here with regards to =E2=80=9CGuix=E2=80=9D as = the =E2=80=9Csingle brand=E2=80=9D. I disagree with this part that George wrote: > "Guix System" is a "bad" name for "GuixSD." Why? Because a new user's > first expectation is for "Guix system" to refer to the whole of Guix, > which we want to call "Guix" (referred to as "Guix Brand" below). In my experience =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 system=E2=80=9D is not generally used t= o describe a tool=E2=80=99s full set of features. I think =E2=80=9CGuix System=E2=80=9D is just the ri= ght term for everything that Guix generates or operates on with the =E2=80=9Cguix system= =E2=80=9D set of commands. =E2=80=9CGuixOS=E2=80=9D is, in my opinion, a pretty terrible= name (I=E2=80=99m also not a fan of all the other =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6OS=E2=80=9D names out the= re) and it needlessly keeps the confusion between =E2=80=9CGuix, the tool=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CG= uix, the system=E2=80=9D alive. -- Ricardo