From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id AHqoLUMLwF4JGAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 15:48:19 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id uASXKUMLwF6+fAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 15:48:19 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3016940B30 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 15:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57032 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZz2v-000174-QZ for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:48:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZz2R-00016h-SS for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:47:47 -0400 Received: from tobias.gr ([2a02:c205:2020:6054::1]:47032) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZz2Q-0001dN-F6 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:47:47 -0400 Received: by tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c6fe01b1; Sat, 16 May 2020 15:47:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=tobias.gr; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=2018; i=me@tobias.gr; bh=bJJcVdcKfHXU39etwugeNT ZsI6Q+p2QeM9eFCApULxQ=; b=KcCeJFfQimrKsF19l+AFED8pybSlPlBTPH+vQ4 8krTgVdYbjE6SDf47khZVVsbGcD6gCSpm0t4xeWJYjDxBPES7yTofkxGALDfMCzF Z9zVjvl3JLb2Tw/Yjfe3+aJVWcZT/fbn59ztEejhWgfE+rXd72oRpirg+utajRck Ick9rVTuX1CFR4TBpdq+akUEyIswAd8BNI7o2TzvAj2PIgeTZYmSVpl5c1Xblrix EVJZaH9rx6odY3nHoUGjxJxUdbstXREbCWdsO6LxKL3ZnjynDW8r2j14Bv3fp5z7 Usr7WVF5bXBCAvJHVSsxYlajUojTlAiZTorr+SPN68M2H50A== Received: by submission.tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 1ed7f1ad (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 16 May 2020 15:47:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice To: Josh Marshall Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Propose to distribute a user-only install script, not admin required References: In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 17:47:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87imgvop9g.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:c205:2020:6054::1; envelope-from=me@tobias.gr; helo=tobias.gr X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tobias.gr header.s=2018 header.b=KcCeJFfQ; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=tobias.gr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.31 X-TUID: S5dU18hPb0As --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Josh, Josh Marshall =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > One thing which I think could significantly aid adoption would=20 > be up > either add an option or add a new installer script with guix > configured to install and run purely out of the user's home=20 > directory > without any special permissions. An old but classic place to start is [0] which explains some of=20 the problems & trade-offs, and illustrates an approach that may or=20 may not still work today. My subjective impression was that this used to be more of a big=20 deal (i.e. a few years ago) than it is now. I don't know if it's=20 less of a problem these days, or people gave up on asking, or=20 perhaps I'm not in the right channels to hear the clamouring. Part of me thanks you for bringing this up again. I'm interested=20 to see where it goes. Another part of me fears that =E2=80=98rootless Guix=E2=80=99 is just the p= erfect=20 excuse for misguided admins to give their users a pale and=20 flavourless Guix experience. It would rather taint the brand. Kind regards, T G-R [0]:=20 https://github.com/pjotrp/guix-notes/blob/master/GUIX-NO-ROOT.org --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQT12iAyS4c9C3o4dnINsP+IT1VteQUCXsALGwAKCRANsP+IT1Vt efuwAP9vV8KmXdGHZv9qiHKbNTeg5fl2KKDWtv8MfVw7IajUowEA00gifmgJB1nW t7UukVFQr78zhZUnJsN3LgapXeUKQgY= =wEFO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--