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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1652055080; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=MHTQ1nmtVnpNQHMqpxhm/3AI8sgMb18LeNPyMg+g7fU=; b=OM9ZehYNb2mbIOffZwN4nLlDoD1/T85WDnjYnCnaxGmqasqpzhi0C9J4evLQfwzIfl9AQT /TVCvYM9s+usCub7Sk7rVrW8cuKJPQ9OEmVtIhtVuiulw/Ui/3mN5HjVgczRRO62bDM23d ZF/7si7/5/jvsmiFPoXW7eALBVsln+AwoK4vZMWWF6fwOW239+0eGPIMw1AFK1SWrRHM3T sVG+WMkOqovzsQf8OolkrBd1FivBVMcQ6OvUOzisHcIUAEYXtFplLQsNhEi7xMN2QzAH9m ijiFhU9qh9OfSZga1PqifubJ/rG1xjzSwPcyBX/hEcMIwPB1231y1S1BQa/anQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1652055080; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Jt+y7kfGS3LEFIhEhQeu6rf3iHL1xPAgA4Dy2rcPFM3TL0p3Icwst+vlZCTr11RRdNZJ3M wYnLxYFG2BpV2wQkQZbCH8rQsRZIx0TEYIQ4ctcY5xUXKXzEOlT6jvugTPEgBcrOP5Ycrv CnAX0kgJ36JTyBDk+nAyBv1HBcp/yOMiExDrADlIM0HIXIcTznBopbHTGDLGqAqoRpWxVw CZXUTJyOMh6T+n5Nj2aoqhIHieZU+k2DP5sLxxsGsi43aPVNKkOERDmsqoT9Tec0bRkFN2 lpkQVdR13IEgZ3XHwQdPqfMuiTHMLwiwIYl8jC1Ts9xl/bzz8GQTy0Imxo9bLg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=kolabnow.com header.s=dkim20160331 header.b=k3WQSUtV; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=kolabnow.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=kolabnow.com header.s=dkim20160331 header.b=k3WQSUtV; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=kolabnow.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8834F3173C X-Spam-Score: -5.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: qtYWji4Hl0q7 Hello, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Jan Nieuwenhuizen skribis: > >> Mes has now been ported to M2-Planet and can be bootstrapped using >> stage0-posix[0], starting from the 357-byte hex0 binary of the >> bootstrap-seeds[1], as was promised at FOSDEM'21[2]. > > This is amazing=E2=80=A6 congrats to you & everyone involved! You made i= t! :-) > > The ability to build literally everything from source, with reproducible > builds, is a game changer IMO when it comes to supply chain security. Indeed, this is awesome! > The common objection is: =E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=99re building from source but= you=E2=80=99re not > gonna audit all that source code anyway, so why bother?=E2=80=9D I think= it=E2=80=99s > akin to security by obscurity. That we collectively can and do fiddle > with all this code makes a practical difference; that this is all > transparent means that backdoors become harder to hide. I saw a project a while ago with an interesting approach that looks very interesting for tackling this problem: crowd-sourced, social code review: https://github.com/crev-dev/crev If many people review a piece of code and there's a system to record those reviews, then it's possible to get a metric that is proportional to the trustworthiness of said code. It's a big task, but for unchanging code bases (such as the bootstrap chain), it's a finite amount of work... --=20 Thanks Thiago