From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id RwcuLwu/EmBxKQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:41:31 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id KITTKgu/EmCrJgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:41:31 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BF6E94021E for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58308 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l57YA-0006t0-9A for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:41:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l57Xj-0006pe-H9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:41:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42031) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l57Xh-00049F-Gn; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:41:01 -0500 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=58094 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l57XS-0001aS-Bn; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:40:57 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: "Orians, Jeremiah (DTMB)" Subject: Re: [bootstrappable] Re: wip-full-source-bootstrap: from a 357-byte `hex0' to 'hello' References: <8735z3c7m1.fsf@ITSx01.pdp10.guru> <87czxybl7h.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 9 =?utf-8?Q?Pluvi=C3=B4se?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:40:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jeremiah Orians's message of "Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:52:18 +0000") Message-ID: <87h7n1npr7.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "guix-devel@gnu.org" , "andrius@stikonas.eu" , "jeremiah@pdp10.guru" , "bootstrappable@freelists.org" Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.85 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7BF6E94021E X-Spam-Score: -2.85 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: fSbJLPOm38xK Hi, "Orians, Jeremiah (DTMB)" skribis: >> I see a fourth option, which is to keep both. :-) > Might want to fix up the confusing naming in that case Yes, that=E2=80=99s probably a good idea. >> In effect, it seems there are now two diverging projects. I think that= =E2=80=99s fine: more bootstrapping work and more diversity is better! > Converging actually as they share the exact same goal of bootstrap from n= othing and run MesCC My understanding is that they are nevertheless two different development branches; is that right? >> For Guix, the Scheme-based approach Janneke et al. have been pursing rem= ains the most attractive.=20 > And would be faster if MesCC running on guile was used as the lone bootst= rap seed. What do you mean? Faster in what sense? Again I=E2=80=99m commenting as an enthusiastic outsider, so I may miss pie= ces of the puzzle. My impression is that we have now two different things called =E2=80=9CMes=E2=80=9D and two different approaches to the whole issu= e, so it might make sense to label them differently. At any rate, thanks to all the bootstrappers for the amazing work! Ludo=E2=80=99.