From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id UcijB6BWWmC9ZgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:59:12 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id cKHXAqBWWmC/ZwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:59:12 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 947ABD3B4 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:59:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:43906 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOo7I-0000rN-Hs for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:59:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOo5x-00076n-OZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:57:45 -0400 Received: from mira.cbaines.net ([212.71.252.8]:47300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOo5v-0001e2-S2 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:57:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:68c1:0:8ac0:b4c7:f5c8:7caa]) by mira.cbaines.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFFF627BC59; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:57:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from capella (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 131edef3; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:57:41 +0000 (UTC) References: <1b2c22892d9cde9b86ff96cc70cb89ad17fba807.camel@zaclys.net> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.15; emacs 27.1 From: Christopher Baines To: =?utf-8?Q?L=C3=A9o?= Le Bouter Subject: Re: A proposal for better quality in maintenance of packages by reducing scope In-reply-to: <1b2c22892d9cde9b86ff96cc70cb89ad17fba807.camel@zaclys.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:57:38 +0000 Message-ID: <87h7l1bnb1.fsf@cbaines.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.71.252.8; envelope-from=mail@cbaines.net; helo=mira.cbaines.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616533151; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Rjga5Vuyz1Li/cErqJSQR/q6zCu/dpS4gKvAxVB2dTU=; b=Tr/gfk2Bo4W0sMgcG95R0jgup+PG7rZnMeblGfdy/EKM+0YRItlzJMmonQ9hV5TS0xFYvT V+Rbu/qCW8ggQjRFr+QV8kKYtqyFUkcNTRy7G9ceK0DmDCN0ogGAEXs2afpJ4ZKT0S+vRx ZralURMmJ+N+HahKaKYqhx+2xg13vZKjxY18LGYTN1KDuBvb49JE114QVcpsZp8BR04Khy tU2qNT50Nmgo0XHaVVIdBo5KdRIj15rAvJBv4BHlCSThSd/6mPeBf9huwihnv44tZDZREK c5DfEWhiINYXeJXZHIgTtWEJYC63Pxa7vS7SbxsIqDvD55/kn3Sl+/b3iDGQMA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616533151; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EZnnWOzYUcT+aRsn/np0dSWLV3SsXgTIHc/8veW5sYLZpeLvAMprZJSHiZd8AfGGB88l0i /qk5avJJoiLcUIsrso1XY6pfJsF4FY73394ptEVZilCQOdvCEx7Jf53CLKw59HA1zvMsWt /6IiBekBSqexNOZlgQcxIhGSuIPD1SOxhxejzGSltagvxXjNa9vIxNIX20JOr2qJHW1AxR Ge+Hrz/k7BjoMl+Pv298ns9BpUQ3YbRdtAHNv2yQD1HbrI7unH8wtRylDRwTG+JNWC9LIi GWykVy6GN5R1t0OkCgqpRT+tHEprAKOvLKJs3FO25NxgnJUiBVIBMQfA0RixEA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.52 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 947ABD3B4 X-Spam-Score: -4.52 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: jNijcPxtlVAW --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable L=C3=A9o Le Bouter writes: > There's lots of packages in GNU Guix and maintaining all of them is > tedious, even if we have tooling, there's only so much we can do. > > I want to have a secure and reliable system, I would also like to only > depend on packages I know are easy to maintain for GNU Guix > contributors. > > I would like to propose that we reduce the scope of the maintenance we > do in GNU Guix and establish a list of packages that we more or less > commit to maintaining because this is something that we can do and is > attainable, for example, we could remove desktop environments that we > can't maintain to good standards realistically and focus our efforts on > upstreams that don't go against our way of doing things, that are > cooperative, that provide good build systems we can rely on for our > purposes, etc. > > I propose we also add some requirements before packages can go into > such a maintained state, like a working and reliable updater/refresher > with notifications directed to some mailing list when that one finds a > new release, a reduced amount of downstream patches and a cooperative > upstream with who we preferably have some point of contact to solve > issues or gather more insider knowledge about the software if we need, > a working and reliable CVE linter with proper cpe-name/vendor and > notifications going to a mailing list we all subscribe to, etc.. > probably lots of other things are relevant but you see the idea. > > It should also be possible to filter out packages that are not declared > to be in this maintained state, for example, in the GNU Guix System > configuration. > > Some kind of quality rating for packages that users can trust. > > What do you think? This might be beneficial once there are obvious different groups of packages, probably falling in to a hierarchy (even just a two level one). 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