From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id YNNBHPvwi2A52wAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:58:51 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id OCbzF/vwi2AlagAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:58:51 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07ED222CCC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:45748 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcRnG-0007DG-3J for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:58:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40110) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcR2r-0005dr-9r for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:10:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcR2q-00044h-Eb; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:10:52 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=39398 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lcR2o-0004x6-MD; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:10:51 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Leo Le Bouter Subject: Re: Leaving the GNU Guix community References: <888c71d21bbbc8dc7e8b4d5396694c83@zaclys.net> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 11 =?utf-8?Q?Flor=C3=A9al?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:10:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <888c71d21bbbc8dc7e8b4d5396694c83@zaclys.net> (Leo Le Bouter's message of "Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:43:37 +0200") Message-ID: <87h7jof2o7.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619783931; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=cn9Xmr9CemPKA54xLjLCggKPcZZho7OG0fDMBcpsTME=; b=Wkhuwjnbv62O/6fcC4lrNxznA+h3DOUSQEjWPvbA4M9SpUlgfdaMcwapsw5L4HHekfXqeW GB0cZ0yploc3a/T9vxLegZj050iIoa8+gKInhsiH8eEegcRoguW3SJaEaygpMzKcfw9zFO THFRw0neZvFTLzRfrs04gOQgefzssXgKS6aRBSRrZ4+ibyYGvsopLW/Z5ewl3C5+IbsgBS EZZzhy8ZdxD7VvcpO6T/KyZ/QErEkDztSEPlPCCMovb4B/yxk4xSnJfdQx6BQXyVrFgQ1p hCs3lhMgeuKpcm+EY6Qbo/1l3GYEc3AQjOiNsnfDiWVlV/ZWmXPnYPYFZvIbZQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619783931; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Lk8mW+5IYtuvkR+qGEkoZkAlBF3camaUVs26JfqDgXjK7x55KKJWm8O40yJrfLZ06Kj6Ai y9WMYR7YQxXd3QMKc7j9YMBwI0QhgWBNpUtIdnUPZ8MNu/cyfkM3+UrgdOdinNQZiysHLb SKYOuxbuyGiMKIyMtULjJhfnwOIez7EmW2FQO+QHWFxKCQIt+QV3xTy5trEjQ6P34P7WkN FxRo3gDtCPGg2y3wBfgxbMGiLuZdfyuySMxDcZ9eg1fLC9qlIVE9158hhkPFk66f4ckAp5 Kjf9o+FjQSHZl/ZiuXs7P48gXkRbSdxdxYFl3ceTV/EeCx1YhyJTGL334f4zQg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.95 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 07ED222CCC X-Spam-Score: -2.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: dSK8LDthJVus Hi L=C3=A9o, I=E2=80=99m sad you reached the conclusion that our inability to understand= each other cannot be overcome; perhaps you=E2=80=99re right, though I like to be= lieve there=E2=80=99s always a way forward. I hope we can meet each other again,= in Guix or other spaces in more favorable conditions, under less stress. There=E2=80=99s a lot of food for thought in your message. I think it=E2= =80=99s fair to say that maintainers and in fact most contributors have been paying attention to welcoming people regardless of their experience level; the manual, although technical, also strives to assume little knowledge in the field. We can certainly improve on both fronts, but at least this is already a goal of the project. You write that =E2=80=9Cthe difference between the beginner and the experie= nced is a construction=E2=80=9D. I sympathize with your rejection of the student-professor domination. However, I think newcomers can and should benefit from guidance by the experienced; that=E2=80=99s the only way we can truly blur the experienced/beginner distinction. As an =E2=80=9Cexperience= d=E2=80=9D person in this project, I consider it part of my work to help others. I believe knowledge sharing can be achieved without it becoming a domination relation. That is at least what I think most people here strive for. Thanks again for your contributions. I wish you the best for your future endeavors. We will welcome you back whenever you feel we can work together again. Ludo=E2=80=99.