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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "Christopher Baines via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." , Sarah Morgensen Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1631135782; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=h3SWUe1V3MjXBjKtPADSEj1yAlNk0oEPmmG40z8WwUc=; b=XwK9/DNBQHVm0E080+AKedlOJW2lChzNLdmiTQqA9rRFqG3tLjiCxh9LJjMGzzU3056IO+ mg+sR32Fu5OVLFMKweqhHuxgKK9s/q3qzU/RDXJTq7yKdR9sZYnzON7bfrSkMk4O2vE40u ibPgBOUCRgXkNujSi2iE9h7RQ5OLpD4yBhA4bg4aMLDGn5HFoV526nVLqkSlzFRuBr6BOL LVFcm+aJx3YW9VKBU32J+GhM/1cmWEpCeJGtWHPxeOJyyhZpwQ/VIxIt6BEsHWenZmegN1 w68DMkcvIGsxpRLPXXPGf6Pj8UnnC3KAH1fkeYK+uvrGVGUMoaxAA/gJw6aewg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1631135782; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Eo+5BPFuvadgjOM2+hzQNWa6zJHkypV6UtHJHt+39IUGRhgVXtxGXmCwHqdrmM/IunQs2l Nz0d497j3Y6y0E+GzTJahNWKsOj2ZtTYuYEq8CSrE6W25mx2MPtvroaTxqGq/yn6gCQkI2 zkTdL1R3Oz2V0sqS7XJxy7f1zTuoU6055fY3wgBwoU/cQ2VNyMPiUxoeTstJuEaqD4dkCc i/3SEojIX5br7ITEGNAD35eDpZDgfsH1lzw4VMhw5sptcbuKGk4ddR0oQzkwjmiuGbeoGj +wGCKKi2o2XwUAIlmoLl+l/hePkpyd9m+OYDgRVpiirtmJHBcUGAkUGewlydBA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.91 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9113B1172 X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: oJlO2/VSVd8R Hi, Xinglu Chen skribis: > Well, seeing > > foo-1.0.0-1.2021-01-31 > > gives a user more useful information than something like > > foo-1.0.0-1.cabba9e > > With the former, I can quickly see that the version is from 2021-01-31, > whereas with the latter, I would have to either find the VCS repo online > or go to my local checkout of it and browse the logs. I agree with Leo here. IMO what matters with version strings is that they be comparable: users (and UIs) should be able to tell which string denotes a newer version. That=E2=80=99s exactly what the =E2=80=98revision= =E2=80=99 bit does in the example above. The commit shorthand is an additional bit to uniquely identify the snapshot. Knowing the date of a release, or that of a commit, may also be useful, but that=E2=80=99s not what version strings are about generally. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.