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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641925312; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=5Ly+JxEysyt+DVI/1N9OkfkkHYFCdx1XIgu1NHYV+vo=; b=GyL9yHy6vSoshsaU9pN/c1kXHpAiTNo4GW/gNzKLxJsImx1KXHHxRGEY0VQNHR/M4rf0Qn VyHNw1nW+mHYwUQF4+0sJcvFi2ADQGxrF+dKf4qdBQDfn9jZQy6Gkygr3PLIoiUIoVUwMl Qod2zUJWU3qLm3Yz2FR1vKcBZuRQjUswVehPn6lru9b36u/EwicRdNM1rGKBtIBIYTaoqg cGrCI8YH8/QVRXKw8TJX0MFgYKdBliF+oqwLH3ykrL3Eo2nT9YtH5KD64mq5e6vKThkLZU mxlRQ9+ZocaquJBr61+ptCSNzt2d4SLhyqCeh8HO6X6AOYgAsK0tT1XUesNIkA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641925312; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=DsNSnAqitJmueiQiK57txS1GwzPbF+ZNOn9ZUWeMz+5uQVdK8JcXl+iEc5gKaWf36CLSUF TY8gf4FzX8HsLdcIv19yRl2g4MLLeM3yGUoa6w42ZiaHNE58+adJsVjTQegVZh6Y43B0aH T4k6rv7mu9MOL3+vADh+2lnO3K2lMxqp9TWyT3Y4s7/xXLZrQ/8VL1l48sjHrAi1Ql9KLE v6aUXSDLsdS/NZ633m3MsHgJMJ5ZqEpLm2G8DZ0sDIlQ8alQuxkNuaPjzYI5d8Rj/OQ5Yt mw7I4fxwD8bhnR7BshrUGQ0SbzufXJGN53g79WDQpPgPa5B/VPLSUPs1HBspFg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=BrcNVbs4; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.32 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=BrcNVbs4; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5E054274F1 X-Spam-Score: -3.32 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: SyBsgT3u+iwY Tobias Geerinckx-Rice writes: > Hi Simon, all, > > I'll give your long and thoughtful reply the attention it deserves > when I have time, but there's another misleading tangent that has=20 > bothered me (elsewhere) in this discussion: > >> - cathedral, as it is today > > This is revisionist. The Bazaar model perfectly describes Guix, where > everyone is free to submit changes and have them critiqued and revised > in public. Even maintainers are expected to submit. Changes that meet > $criteria are merged into a source tree immediately available to > everyone. > > Guix has never used the Cathedral model, where patch submission and > discussion happen behind closed doors, to be released unto the public > as a revelation from on high. > > =E2=80=98People push nontrivial changes without review=E2=80=99 was never= a condition > of the Bazaar model or what made it successful. The book was based on > LKML, for heaven's sake! :-) > > We can find a cute new name for what's being proposed in this thread > (the Wailing Wall model?), but simply declaring =E2=80=98the Bazaar is ca= lled > Cathedral now, change my mind=E2=80=99 can't work. Tobias, I couldn't agree more!!! --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"