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This has come up a few times on #guix and generally wi= th support (don't let me speak for everyone though). I think the idea of sm= aller and more frequent feature branches is a great idea: less code changes= coming to master to review at once (compared to big core-updates merges), = substitutes and closer to master to be easier for people to pull the branch= and test, and some areas despite the number of builds would work nicely as= a branch than just pushed (and lingering) into core-updates for much later= . > The first one that I propose is a go-updates branch, where we update the > Go compilers. This will affect ~500 packages. > > If I understand correctly, Go is a relatively self-contained reverse > dependency graph within Guix and thus a good candidate for this > approach. It contains the Go libaries, and then some end-user > applications, and they don't really affect other packages. So, it should > be easy to understand when the update is ready to push. > I can't comment on the Go ecosystem, but that sounds good to me. Another one I would personally like to see is Mesa: they move quickly, newe= r versions are needed for recent hardware, and despite the number of rebuil= ds it causes Mesa is careful with removing older support. This is also an a= rea where getting people to test by running their desktop system on a newer= version would be helpful, and I think the feature branch approach makes it= much easier (i.e. in core-updates there is a ton to test and look for). Anyway, perhaps that is a separate discussion and part of a larger discussi= on on number of rebuilds and how we classify changes. > I can set up a jobset on ci.guix.gnu.org if people like the idea. > > Leo So yes, I'm all for this general approach and think it is one that will mak= e Guix better for the end-user and on the development side. Thanks for bringing this up Leo, something I've also been wanting to move t= owards! John