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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 83E9F6345E X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.61 X-Spam-Score: -1.61 X-TUID: GhvYCroIwRLL Hi Guix, Katherine Cox-Buday writes: > > I think the easiest way to start, and something that's actually pretty > effective, is to start doing annual surveys, e.g.: > > - https://discourse.nixos.org/t/2022-nix-survey-results/18983 > - https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/ > - https://tip.golang.org/blog/survey2023-q1-results > I think this is an excellent idea to have a means of mapping out guixes community and values. This years curl user survey[1] asked specifically what prevents curl users from contributing (p.20) as well as asked to rank the "best/worst" areas (p.24-26) of the project. I think that asking the broader guix community these specific questions could be beneficial in answering the initial question of this thread on how to decrease the cognitive overhead for contributors/lowering the barrier to contribute to Guix. Furthermore, it could also be beneficial to collect informations on what hardware the guix community uses (running a hardware survey was at least mentioned once on this list[2]) and what people are actually doing with Guix (the "Guix and the developer ecosystem" discussion[3] could be related to that). > With a survey you can quantify these opinions and say things like "X% > of people would like the current contribution process to remain the > same. Y% of those are committers." Right now we only do have the opinions of folks reading and actively posting to the mailing list; which may be a way smaller group than guixes actual userbase. At least I'd say it's safe to assume that there may be guix users who do not read guix-devel, as well as those who read this list but don't actively post to it. A survey could lead to more representative results in that regards, as it may enable more folks to participate. As far as I know NixOS uses a hosted LimeSurvey for their surveys, which should be free software; even though it doesn't seem to be packaged for Guix yet. If there's a consensus that such a survey may be a good idea, I'd be happy to contribute to it; even though I'm not familiar enough with the governance part of guix as a project to get things started (I suspect discussing this on this mailing list is a good start?). [1]: https://daniel.haxx.se/media/curl-user-survey-2023-analysis.pdf [2]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2022-10/msg00297.html [3]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2023-07/msg00152.html -- Kind regards, Wilko Meyer w@wmeyer.eu