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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -6.36 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EB934443AA X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.36 X-TUID: ixWRwzGEZv4m --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lily, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Instead, we have seen in this thread appeals to age, appeals to > perceived lack of personal benefit, and now appeals to typing effort, > none of which really make that great of an argument against the > ChangeLog style, especially when they come in combination with a > refusal to make use of already provided tools. I think we're starting > to see the moving of the goal post as the actual game here.=C2=A0 This seems to me like an unwarranted accusation. The OP and numerous other users/contributors have reported that they have actual frustrations with the process here, and I don't think this is an healthy interaction. > Maybe it's time to take a step back and instead of asking =E2=80=9CHow ca= n we > decrease the cognitive overhead for contributors?=E2=80=9D, we should per= haps > ask =E2=80=9CFor which contributors do we want to/can we decrease the cog= nitive > overhead?=E2=80=9D We have drifted much from the original post that disc= ussed > moms with full-time jobs, who struggle to do =E2=80=9Cdifficult=E2=80=9D = tasks > (simplified wording; may change the meaning of the OP a little). Now, > I personally struggle to see how your personal preference for > communication media, commit message style, and other things that were > discussed in any of the preceding threads actually correlate with being > a parent. However, I do know that with its 150 million users, most > people of the world don't have a Github account. Being one of the 4 > billion email users out there is a comparably low barrier of entry > imho. So, whose cognitive overhead do you want to reduce (besides the > obvious "my own", which everyone always tries)? We could try to time how long it takes to set up the email vs. forge workflow and do a first contribution, I can bet the former is much longer than the latter. Especially if your email host has funky authentication systems. I don't think the number of users of each system is a compelling argument either: you're not going to say that mowing your lawn with a knife is inherently better because more people have knives compared to lawnmowers. Regarding the =E2=80=9Cmom argument=E2=80=9D, I would disagree and say that= this is completely related: interruptions are more costly, you're more likely to have less attention span, and overall you probably don't want to commit to 20 steps just to send a contribution. 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