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Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ricardo Wurmus To: indieterminacy Cc: Ekaitz Zarraga , Juliana Sims , guix-devel@gnu.org, suhailsingh247@gmail.com Subject: Re: Guix (and Guile's) promise, and how to (hopefully) get there In-Reply-To: <1e11116a44192d320147de5ca2cbcb91@libre.brussels> (indieterminacy@libre.brussels's message of "Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:39:03 +0100") References: <02559f63-35e6-4159-9d4c-e1d423aad3be@elenq.tech> <8b58064321ae06543061ffaa843e4267@libre.brussels> <5e7b06af-96f4-4264-a67f-7b8914b3eab1@elenq.tech> <1e11116a44192d320147de5ca2cbcb91@libre.brussels> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 10:43:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87h68wmujs.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-ZohoMailClient: External Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.143.188.51; envelope-from=rekado@elephly.net; helo=sender4-of-o51.zoho.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.41 X-Spam-Score: -1.41 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2217F600F5 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: vNt6jw9wMTfs indieterminacy writes: > At our end I think more pressure and greater expectations should be > made wrt GNU. > Its good that there have been statements made in the past, these types > of things should be expanded upon. When we published https://gnu.tools/ it was our conviction that GNU is what we make of it, because it is little more than a name for a set of goals and an inspiring retelling of history (up to the mid-1990s perhaps). Turns out that in practical and concrete terms "GNU" means very little to the supporters of projects associated with GNU. This is why there hasn't been more activity concerning the GNU Assembly: there is little to be *done* collectively. The GNU Assembly could continue to ignore Stallman's attempts to micromanage, continue to publish rebuttals whenever his tonedeaf or harmful actions draw attention, but ... it's so self-defeating to define oneself merely in opposition to Stallman's missteps. As a *project* GNU does not exist. -- Ricardo