From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira Subject: Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd. Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 12:04:28 -0300 Message-ID: <87fu4bvwqr.fsf@hyperbola.info> References: <1522662136.3259.35.camel@gmail.com> <20180402143822.GA26072@jasmine.lan> <1522846191.3197.72.camel@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35174) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f3jxz-0001ZJ-5m for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:04:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f3jxu-0000q7-7C for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:04:51 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:56937) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f3jxu-0000os-13 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:04:46 -0400 Received: from adfeno-pc1 (unknown [181.221.158.128]) (Authenticated sender: adfeno@hyperbola.info) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E10AA240011 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 17:04:40 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <1522846191.3197.72.camel@gmail.com> (Svante Signell's message of "Wed, 04 Apr 2018 14:49:51 +0200") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org > is that RMS has already abandoned the Free Software community e.g. by con= tinuing > to support gnome as a GNU project. I'm not being picky or anything, actually I'm interested on knowing stuff, because I don't know everything, so: What is the real problem with GNOME, both as a software/product and as a group/project? All these questions are related to free/libre software philosophy. > And the same happens again: He does not condemn systemd, calling it Free > Software due to the GPL license. In my opinion systemd is violating one o= f the 4 > freeedoms of GPL: Freedom 1 (as well as the *NIX and KISS philosophy) > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0* The freedom to study how the progra= m works, and change it so it > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0does your computing as yo= u wish (freedom 1). Access to the > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0source code is a precondi= tion for this. Care to prove that systemd doesn't give the end-user the freedom 1? For the case of systemd, in trisquel-users mailing list (or the English Trisquel forum if you do like forums instead), we've seen this systemd protests frequently, and more often related to misunderstandings on *how* systemd reacts to problems and *what* systemd aims to be as software/product. Besides, the UNIX philosophy isn't a requirement for free/libre software. > It's really time for a re-definition of Free Software, not only basing su= ch > definitions solely on the license at hand. It is also a matter of freedom= s of > the users of software. Especially in view of that most Free Software nowa= days is > developed by commercial players, having their own agenda, actively aliena= ting > their users (and non-paid, spare time developers). I agree that we might perhaps try to shift the powers, but I deny that the definitions must be updated, particularly because it already implements this possibility. The difficulty is actually how to ballance the end-user/for-profit-organization relationship and importance. 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