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* Re: Bootstrap Tarballs for alpha-linux Targets
       [not found] <d1e42ba6-68d1-4989-8d37-4929f5b7916e@me.com>
@ 2018-08-19 16:35 ` Ludovic Courtès
  2018-08-20  6:27   ` Nils Gillmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-08-19 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vincent Weisner; +Cc: guix-devel

Hello Vincent,

Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> skribis:

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 05:10 AM, Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>  I have cross-compiled the GNU Guix bootstrap tarballs for DEC Alpha systems running GNU/Linux. I don't own an Alpha system, so I didn't get to test them.
>  The SHA256 Checksum for the uploaded files are:
>  53d990843c2c64f6593d0ae8262dca758910da6783b3949ef54677a87c3c5cd8 - binutils-static-stripped-2.28-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
>  2ab011049b50f4ce04952e3fab7c6020da71e13b454cceb75f6fbd774b8973d2 - gcc-stripped-5.4.0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
>  6c36b8179fee99e942b7bdf49e523d4f46aa23cbbd9bc818364239fc67b3fe6c - glibc-stripped-2.25-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
>  8668d3943ab2045a061f442954964fcb07fed2136edb08ecf9ef561ddb120ddf - guile-static-stripped-2.2.2-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
>  7c1cdc3b63794315040d77b4d019793444b9496b9843bc87d2ed70dc0435731b - static-binaries-0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
>
>  I will upload the bootstrap GCC tarball in a reply as I maxed out my attachment space.

Nice!  Did cross-compilation work without any additional patches?
Do you have hardware to run it on?

Since Alpha CPUs are (unfortunately) no longer produced, I would rather
not include the Alpha port in Guix proper.  You would have to maintain
your own branch of Guix if you plan to use it regularly.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread

* Re: Bootstrap Tarballs for alpha-linux Targets
  2018-08-19 16:35 ` Bootstrap Tarballs for alpha-linux Targets Ludovic Courtès
@ 2018-08-20  6:27   ` Nils Gillmann
  2018-08-20 10:23     ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Nils Gillmann @ 2018-08-20  6:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel, Vincent Weisner

Ludovic Courtès transcribed 1.3K bytes:
> Hello Vincent,
> 
> Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> skribis:
> 
> > On Aug 10, 2018, at 05:10 AM, Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> >  I have cross-compiled the GNU Guix bootstrap tarballs for DEC Alpha systems running GNU/Linux. I don't own an Alpha system, so I didn't get to test them.
> >  The SHA256 Checksum for the uploaded files are:
> >  53d990843c2c64f6593d0ae8262dca758910da6783b3949ef54677a87c3c5cd8 - binutils-static-stripped-2.28-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> >  2ab011049b50f4ce04952e3fab7c6020da71e13b454cceb75f6fbd774b8973d2 - gcc-stripped-5.4.0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> >  6c36b8179fee99e942b7bdf49e523d4f46aa23cbbd9bc818364239fc67b3fe6c - glibc-stripped-2.25-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> >  8668d3943ab2045a061f442954964fcb07fed2136edb08ecf9ef561ddb120ddf - guile-static-stripped-2.2.2-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> >  7c1cdc3b63794315040d77b4d019793444b9496b9843bc87d2ed70dc0435731b - static-binaries-0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> >
> >  I will upload the bootstrap GCC tarball in a reply as I maxed out my attachment space.
> 
> Nice!  Did cross-compilation work without any additional patches?
> Do you have hardware to run it on?
> 
> Since Alpha CPUs are (unfortunately) no longer produced, I would rather
> not include the Alpha port in Guix proper.  You would have to maintain
> your own branch of Guix if you plan to use it regularly.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.
> 

For those who might be interested:

Is this an entire range of CPUs with no differences wrt binary compability?

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread

* Re: Bootstrap Tarballs for alpha-linux Targets
  2018-08-20  6:27   ` Nils Gillmann
@ 2018-08-20 10:23     ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-08-20 10:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vincent Weisner; +Cc: guix-devel

Nils Gillmann <ng0@n0.is> skribis:

> Is this an entire range of CPUs with no differences wrt binary compability?

Alphas were 64-bit processors that were discontinued in the early 2000s:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_Alpha

Ludo’.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread

* Re: Bootstrap Tarballs for alpha-linux Targets
@ 2018-08-21 15:07 Vincent Weisner
  2018-08-23  8:10 ` Nils Gillmann
  2018-08-24 10:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Vincent Weisner @ 2018-08-21 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ludo; +Cc: guix-devel

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Ludo,



No additional patches were needed and no, I don't have any DEC Alpha hardware.



If you rather not include an Alpha port, then why does the code state "alpha-linux" in /gnu/packages/bootstrapping.scm?


On Aug 19, 2018, at 12:35 PM, ludo@gnu.org wrote:


Hello Vincent,

Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> skribis:


On Aug 10, 2018, at 05:10 AM, Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> wrote:


I have cross-compiled the GNU Guix bootstrap tarballs for DEC Alpha systems running GNU/Linux. I don't own an Alpha system, so I didn't get to test them.
The SHA256 Checksum for the uploaded files are:
53d990843c2c64f6593d0ae8262dca758910da6783b3949ef54677a87c3c5cd8 - binutils-static-stripped-2.28-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
2ab011049b50f4ce04952e3fab7c6020da71e13b454cceb75f6fbd774b8973d2 - gcc-stripped-5.4.0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
6c36b8179fee99e942b7bdf49e523d4f46aa23cbbd9bc818364239fc67b3fe6c - glibc-stripped-2.25-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
8668d3943ab2045a061f442954964fcb07fed2136edb08ecf9ef561ddb120ddf - guile-static-stripped-2.2.2-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
7c1cdc3b63794315040d77b4d019793444b9496b9843bc87d2ed70dc0435731b - static-binaries-0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz


I will upload the bootstrap GCC tarball in a reply as I maxed out my attachment space.

Nice! Did cross-compilation work without any additional patches?
Do you have hardware to run it on?

Since Alpha CPUs are (unfortunately) no longer produced, I would rather
not include the Alpha port in Guix proper. You would have to maintain
your own branch of Guix if you plan to use it regularly.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

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^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread

* Re: Bootstrap Tarballs for alpha-linux Targets
  2018-08-21 15:07 Vincent Weisner
@ 2018-08-23  8:10 ` Nils Gillmann
  2018-08-24 10:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Nils Gillmann @ 2018-08-23  8:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vincent Weisner; +Cc: guix-devel

I have conflicted opinions about this.

Curiosity, which is a big motivation for many project I work on, wants
to support alpha.
The reality is though, that any operating system needs to be able to
provide support. If it's not intrinsic support from enthusiasts about
a certain platform, we need to do it. It is difficult with quasi dead
platforms. 
The resources Guix itself currently takes are difficult for devices
with low specs.
I myself am not again alpha. Is it unrealistic? Of course. Might it be
of use for some people? Yes.

It would be interesting to support alpha, sparc/64, etc, but that is
just me.

The final call is for Ludovic and Ricardo.

Vincent Weisner transcribed 5.0K bytes:
> Ludo,
> 
> 
> 
> No additional patches were needed and no, I don't have any DEC Alpha hardware.
> 
> 
> 
> If you rather not include an Alpha port, then why does the code state "alpha-linux" in /gnu/packages/bootstrapping.scm?
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2018, at 12:35 PM, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Vincent,
> 
> Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> skribis:
> 
> 
> On Aug 10, 2018, at 05:10 AM, Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have cross-compiled the GNU Guix bootstrap tarballs for DEC Alpha systems running GNU/Linux. I don't own an Alpha system, so I didn't get to test them.
> The SHA256 Checksum for the uploaded files are:
> 53d990843c2c64f6593d0ae8262dca758910da6783b3949ef54677a87c3c5cd8 - binutils-static-stripped-2.28-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> 2ab011049b50f4ce04952e3fab7c6020da71e13b454cceb75f6fbd774b8973d2 - gcc-stripped-5.4.0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> 6c36b8179fee99e942b7bdf49e523d4f46aa23cbbd9bc818364239fc67b3fe6c - glibc-stripped-2.25-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> 8668d3943ab2045a061f442954964fcb07fed2136edb08ecf9ef561ddb120ddf - guile-static-stripped-2.2.2-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> 7c1cdc3b63794315040d77b4d019793444b9496b9843bc87d2ed70dc0435731b - static-binaries-0-alpha-linux-gnu.tar.xz
> 
> 
> I will upload the bootstrap GCC tarball in a reply as I maxed out my attachment space.
> 
> Nice! Did cross-compilation work without any additional patches?
> Do you have hardware to run it on?
> 
> Since Alpha CPUs are (unfortunately) no longer produced, I would rather
> not include the Alpha port in Guix proper. You would have to maintain
> your own branch of Guix if you plan to use it regularly.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread

* Re: Bootstrap Tarballs for alpha-linux Targets
  2018-08-21 15:07 Vincent Weisner
  2018-08-23  8:10 ` Nils Gillmann
@ 2018-08-24 10:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-08-24 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vincent Weisner; +Cc: guix-devel

Hi,

Vincent Weisner <vincentweisner@icloud.com> skribis:

> No additional patches were needed and no, I don't have any DEC Alpha hardware.

OK.

> If you rather not include an Alpha port, then why does the code state "alpha-linux" in /gnu/packages/bootstrapping.scm?

That’s because somebody else tried cross-compiling to Alpha some time
ago; it was Sergei Trofimovich, and IIRC Sergei did have Alpha hardware
at the time.  :-)

Ludo’.

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