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Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:48:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Eure To: guix-devel Subject: Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive In-Reply-To: <87il1mupco.fsf@meson> (Ian Eure's message of "Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:52:53 -0700") References: <87il1mupco.fsf@meson> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.2; emacs 29.3 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: <87frvfan0r.fsf@retrospec.tv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.157; envelope-from=ian@retrospec.tv; helo=fhigh6-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Spam-Score: -10.05 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8EF037081A X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.05 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-TUID: srHCvc7RAT7/ Hello, I=E2=80=99m following up on this since discussion since it=E2=80=99s been a= month=20 and I haven=E2=80=99t heard any updates. Summarizing the situation: - SHF has an opaque, difficult, and undocumented process for=20 handling name changes. I=E2=80=99s like to stress again that this is=20 *not* strictly a transgender issue (though it likely affects=20 them more, or in worse/different ways) -- it is a human respect=20 issue. Many, many more cisgender people change their name than=20 transgender people. - SHF gave their archive to HuggingFace, an "AI" company which is=20 generating derived works with no attribution or provenance, in=20 ways which violate the both licenses of the projects used to=20 train their model, and the SHF principles for LLMs. - HuggingFace wasn=E2=80=99t respecting requests to opt-out of their=20 model. On the first point, it sounds like SHF has made concrete progress=20 to improve[1], which is very good to hear. If SHF continues on=20 this course, I think the concern is resolved. On the third point, HuggingFace has begun honoring opt-out=20 requests, but is still very far behind. Also, they don=E2=80=99t remove=20 code from the older versions of their model -- it remains there=20 forever. This is progress, but still, not great. On the second point, I have not seen any public statements=20 indicating that either SHF or HuggingFace even acknowledges the=20 problem. SHF=E2=80=99s most recent newsletter[2], published in April 2024= =20 (after these concerns came to light), continues to tout that=20 StarCoder2 is "the first AI model aligned with our principles,"=20 which appears to be false. StarCoder2 includes both licensed and=20 unlicensed code, and HuggingFace=E2=80=99s own StarChat2 playground=20 produces works derivative of this code, with no attribution or=20 licensing information. There is also no statement or position on=20 the SHF news blog. Nor hsa HuggingFace either fixed their tools,=20 or made a statement. This is still very much a live concern. I have a few questions: - Has Guix reached out to SHF to express these concerns / get a=20 response? - Whether a public or private response, what would Guix consider=20 to be an acceptable response? An unacceptable respoinse? - How long is Guix willing to wait for a response? Thanks, =E2=80=94 Ian [1]:=20 https://cohost.org/arborelia/post/5273879-they-are-fixing-some [2]:=20 https://www.softwareheritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Software-Herita= ge-2024-Vision-Milestones-Newsletter.pdf Ian Eure writes: > Hi Guixy people, > > I=E2=80=99d never heard of SWH before I started hacking on Guix last=20 > fall, and > it struck me as rather a good idea. However, I=E2=80=99ve seen some=20 > things > lately which have soured me on them. > > They appear to be using the archive to build LLMs: > https://www.softwareheritage.org/2024/02/28/responsible-ai-with-starcoder= 2/ > > I was also distressed to see how poorly they treated a developer=20 > who > wished to update their name: > https://cohost.org/arborelia/post/4968198-the-software-heritag > https://cohost.org/arborelia/post/5052044-the-software-heritag > > GPL=E2=80=99d software I=E2=80=99ve created has been packaged for Guix, w= hich I=20 > assume > means it=E2=80=99s been included in SWH. While I=E2=80=99m dealing with = their=20 > (IMO: > unethical) opt-out process, I likely also need to stop new=20 > copies from > being uploaded again in the future. > > Is there a way to indicate, in a Guix package, that it should=20 > *never* > be included in SWH? > > Is there a way to tell Guix to never download source from SWH? > > I want absolutely nothing to do with them. > > Thanks, > > =E2=80=94 Ian >