From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer)
To: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: NEWS for 0.10.0
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 22:17:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87egaryb3p.fsf@T420.taylan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160330172855.GA1172@jocasta.intra> (John Darrington's message of "Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:28:55 +0200")
John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 01:02:15PM +0200, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote:
>
> There is nothing in the current coc which I particularly disagree with -
> all the examples of unacceptable conduct I personally consider unacceptable
> in all walks of life.
>
> Unfortunately, ???be excellent to each other??? is not a CoC, and it's
> often an excuse not to have one.
>
> I can think of two much better "excuses" :
>
>
> The first is:
>
> What hurts me when somebody shoves a "code-of-conduct" in my face, is the veiled
> suggestion that lies behind it. Viz: "You might be a person who habitually uses
> sexually explicit language, insults people, harrasses others, assaults people,
> ... murders them ..."
The COC is there for everyone; I don't see why anybody should take it
personally and feel accused of anything.
> Of course, on a literal level this suggestion is correct, for a person who has never
> met me, for all they know I might be a person who does those things. But why
> accuse a person of those things on the first introduction?
>
> The second is:
>
> By having an explicit coc, the explicit message is "Examples of unacceptable
> behavior by participants include ..." The implicit message which is a logical
> consequence is: "... and we anticipate or have already experienced such
> behaviour by participants."
Sure. We're on the Internet. :-)
> When I invite someone to my home for coffee, I do have a "code of conduct" I
> expect my guests to be resonably polite, not to insult me, not to vandalise my
> home, fart in my face and lots of other things. But I this "code of conduct" is
> implicit. I don't write it down. I don't ask my guests to agree to it before
> they enter my home - if I did I would not be suprised if the very suggestion
> would cause them to be extremely offended. I would not blame them if they
> excused themselves and departed without delay. Likewise I think these "codes of
> conduct" in community projects do not have the effect of welcoming people. They
> have the opposite effect.
There's the point that things are different on the Internet, and then
there's a point to be made about one-to-one or small-group meetings
where bad behavior will stick out immediately vs. large conventions
where bad behavior might remain undetected. Having a COC gives a
guarantee to participants that if they personally have a bad experience,
they can bring it up to the organizers and action *will* be taken. The
same principle applies to a large online community.
> So lets HAVE a code of conduct. But let's not have a written one. Let's be open
> and inviting. If somebody does come in and start harassing/insulting/sexually
> assaulting/ people (which I think unlikely) we'll uninvite them.
>
> J'
Taylan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-30 20:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-27 17:45 NEWS for 0.10.0 Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-27 21:38 ` Mathieu Lirzin
2016-03-28 16:36 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-30 2:01 ` Rastus Vernon
2016-03-30 2:39 ` Jookia
2016-03-30 8:52 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2016-03-30 11:02 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2016-03-30 17:28 ` John Darrington
2016-03-30 20:17 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer [this message]
2016-03-30 21:22 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-27 21:41 ` Leo Famulari
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